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topic: 2558New gauge/scale pre-set -- EM4
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posted: 24 Oct 2014 15:54

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Martin Wynne
 
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Following some discussion on RMweb, here are some suggested dimensions for running unmodified EM wheels on 18.83mm gauge track:

Track Gauge:        18.8mm MIN
Check Gauge:        18.0mm MIN
Crossing Flangeway:  0.8mm - 0.85mm
Check Span:         17.2mm MAX

Wheel Width:         2.0mm MIN
Back-to-Flange:     18.0mm MAX

Back-to-Back:                    17.3mm MIN
 RP25/88 wheels (0.6mm flange):  17.4mm MAX
    EMGS wheels (0.5mm flange):  17.5mm MAX


I have now added this to the list of gauge/scale pre-sets in Templot, with the name EM4 (18.8mm gauge, 0.8mm flangeway). In the next program update:

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Check rail chairs for 0.8mm flangeway are available from C&L -- see:

 http://www.finescale.org.uk/index.php?route=product/product&path=346_347_348&product_id=3938

The 0.8mm flangeway is narrower than a rail-width, so retains the "P4 look" while accommodating the thicker EM flanges.

Unlike ordinary EM, this standard is not suitable for widened RTR wheels (RP25/110).

Note also that this will have similar problems to H0 -- it is difficult to find space for overscale wheels under scale-width models unless the track gauge is reduced.

regards,

Martin.

posted: 24 Oct 2014 17:49

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Jim Guthrie
 
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Martin,

If you are adding pre-sets, I would quite like FS160 added. The details are in the FS160 web site here

http://www.fs160.eu/fiNeweb/standards/HANDB.php

It's been around for about twenty years and is used by mainly European N scale modellers to get finer wheel standards by using 2mmFS standards pushed in to 9mm gauge. I use it to model North American N scale to better track and wheel standards and it works very well basically because it is based on the well tried UK 2mmFS standards (a bit better provenance than a bodge on one layout article in the MRJ :D )

Jim.

posted: 24 Oct 2014 18:17

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Martin Wynne
 
West Of The Severn - United Kingdom

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Jim Guthrie wrote:
If you are adding pre-sets, I would quite like FS160 added.
Hi Jim,

Sure. :)

Are these dimensions ok?

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regards,

Martin.

posted: 25 Oct 2014 06:48

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Hayfield
 
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Martin

Whilst we are talking pre-set gauges, how about please a couple no narrow gauge pre-set ones for the dummies like myself who struggle to add my own pre-set gauges. 00-9 and 0-16.5 would be really helpfull. Thanks

John

posted: 25 Oct 2014 08:23

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Jim Guthrie
 
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Martin Wynne wrote:
Jim Guthrie wrote:
If you are adding pre-sets, I would quite like FS160 added.
Hi Jim,

Sure. :)

Are these dimensions ok?
Martin,

These look fine.  Many thanks - it saves making custom standards. :D

Jim.

posted: 25 Oct 2014 10:46

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Martin Wynne
 
West Of The Severn - United Kingdom

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Jim Guthrie wrote:
These look fine. Many thanks - it saves making custom standards. :D
Hi Jim,

Bear in mind that selecting a gauge/scale pre-set still gives you the default UK-style REA bullhead settings.

If you want a template with American timbering, rail sizes, adjacent track spacings, etc., it is still necessary to create a custom library template.

regards,

Martin.

posted: 25 Oct 2014 11:10

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Martin Wynne
 
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Hayfield wrote:
Whilst we are talking pre-set gauges, how about please a couple of narrow gauge pre-set ones for the dummies like myself who struggle to add my own pre-set gauges. 00-9 and 0-16.5 would be really helpful. Thanks
Hi John,

I don't often refuse a request, but in this case the answer is no, sorry.

If I add narrow-gauges to the pre-sets it will open the floodgates to a minefield -- if I'm allowed to mix metaphors on a Saturday morning. :)

There are just too many of them, they would completely swamp the list. And in many cases establishing the exact standards being used is next to impossible.

Also a gauge/scale pre-set does not change the timbering sizes, so you would be not much further forward and many users seeing 2ft gauge rails on 8ft-6in timbers would assume something has gone wrong.

For 0-16.5 (0n30) there are some ready-made templates which you can download from:

 topic 28

Add them as library templates so that you can print them or use/modify them in your track plans. (add library... button on the storage box).

When I have an odd moment I will do some 00-9 templates too.

regards,

Martin.

posted: 25 Oct 2014 12:48

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Jim Guthrie
 
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Martin Wynne wrote:
Bear in mind that selecting a gauge/scale pre-set still gives you the default UK-style REA bullhead settings.

If you want a template with American timbering, rail sizes, adjacent track spacings, etc., it is still necessary to create a custom library template.

Martin,

I know that. :D  What with doing North American in N and Caledonian in S,  I don't think I've used a default REA setting for a long time. :D

Just in case anyone is interested,  I use this web site as a source for my American track standards.

http://www.uprr.com/aboutup/operations/specs/track/index.shtml

Jim.

posted: 25 Oct 2014 19:10

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Hayfield
 
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Martin

Thank you they are now saved



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