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posted: 25 Nov 2007 02:00

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Hi folks,

attatched is product of a derranged  mind.  I wanted to model in 0, but not having space for a tail-chaser (without going through into next doors loft) and definately not wanting yet another MPD I came up with this. There's no way I'd ever have been able to contemplate anything like this without Templot - cheers Martin.

The "rationale" (if that's the word!) is at  http://home.btconnect.com/soddingham

Critiques welcome (I bet Martin spots the major deliberate mistake first), as are drawings of 1980's vintage colour light signals. I know the shoving of timbers isn't finished yet, and the points are a mish-mash, but that will be sorted out. Soon. Honest.

Cheers
Richard
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posted: 25 Nov 2007 02:23

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Attatched is the bgs file which shows the hidden bits and the rather odd baseboard shape.

Cheers
Richard
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posted: 25 Nov 2007 03:31

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Hi Richard,

Wow. Curved diamonds across a transition curve! With fully shoved timbers! Great. :)

I don't know about a deliberate mistake, but the Up Main Trailing Crossover is down to 52" radius on the crossover road. So unless you know something about 0 gauge which I don't :), that's going to need something longer than the B6 that's there at the moment.

Many thanks for uploading your plan. I've attached a screenshot below.

regards,

Martin.
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posted: 25 Nov 2007 03:51

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Martin Wynne wrote:
Hi Richard,

Wow. Curved diamonds across a transition curve! With fully shoved timbers! Great. :)

I don't know about a deliberate mistake, but the Up Main Trailing Crossover is down to 52" radius on the crossover road. So unless you know something about 0 gauge which I don't :), that's going to need something longer than the B6 that's there at the moment.

Many thanks for uploading your plan. I've attached a screenshot below.

regards,

Martin.
I take it that he B6 is wrong then! I What should it be? I know as much about the geometry thing as someone who doesn't know anything about it.

Cheers
Richard


posted: 25 Nov 2007 04:34

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BeamEnds wrote: 
I take it that the B6 is wrong then! I What should it be? I know as much about the geometry thing as someone who doesn't know anything about it.
Hi Richard,

Well you have set a warning level at 72" radius, which many would regard as the sensible minimum for main-line 0 Gauge. So you need to adjust the turnout size (using F5) until the warning stops flashing red. A B-7.5 in that position gets you to 72.1". There are a few further changes you can make to maybe increase the radius by an inch or two -- changing to a generic type of V-crossing for example gets you to 78.4" with a B-7.5, or lets you revert back to B-7.25.

In some places you are using machined check flares, which suggests you are intending these to be flat-bottom? In which case you shouldn't be using the REA bullhead switches for those turnouts. If you go to template > switch options... you will find two ranges of switches for flat-bottom. The range of curved switches in BS-113A rail would be suitable for 10-15 year old track at your period.

For your intended shunting operations you will surely need a run-round facility somewhere on-scene? Another crossover near the lower end of the main lines would do that.

regards,

Martin.

posted: 25 Nov 2007 04:48

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BeamEnds wrote:
Damn. That should be http://home.btconnect.com/soddingham
Richard

Don't you mean "Buggrit it"?

:)

John

posted: 25 Nov 2007 05:15

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Hi Martin,
thanks for that - I'll get that sorted out.

The shapes file seems to have gone a bit wrong (must be something to do with Wine as I'm in Linux mode at the moment), but the plan is that last 4 to 6ft of the 4 running lines at the bottom, and the same for the two mains and the branch at the top, are hidden (Frome might have to have some sudden, but very gentle, geological activity here) - things just  disappear  for a while  and re-appear a bit later with remarkably similar train lists - shunting activity goes in a zig-zag across the layout! The boys at Marcroft are *really* quick (we never actually see a train set off down the branch), but it seems have permemently run out of paint and/or washing-up liquid....

Arrivals park either on the branch or mains and the train is collected a bit at a time by the Pilot if going to the Up side sidings (the headshunt will be a bit longer than shown). Making sure the Pilot is in the right place is part of the fun (or will be, the Warship is going to be lonely for quite some time I fear). A traverser, to simulate cross-overs at the other end of the station, is on the cards, but not yet.

Cheers
Richard

posted: 25 Nov 2007 05:24

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John Lewis wrote:
BeamEnds wrote:
Damn. That should be http://home.btconnect.com/soddingham
Richard

Don't you mean "Buggrit it"?

:)

John
My immediate reaction was along similar lines - but unprintable ;-)

Cheers
Richard

posted: 26 Nov 2007 03:59

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Martin Wynne wrote:
BeamEnds wrote: 
I take it that the B6 is wrong then! I What should it be? I know as much about the geometry thing as someone who doesn't know anything about it.
Hi Richard,

Well you have set a warning level at 72" radius, which many would regard as the sensible minimum for main-line 0 Gauge. So you need to adjust the turnout size (using F5) until the warning stops flashing red. A B-7.5 in that position gets you to 72.1". There are a few further changes you can make to maybe increase the radius by an inch or two -- changing to a generic type of V-crossing for example gets you to 78.4" with a B-7.5, or lets you revert back to B-7.25.

In some places you are using machined check flares, which suggests you are intending these to be flat-bottom? In which case you shouldn't be using the REA bullhead switches for those turnouts. If you go to template > switch options... you will find two ranges of switches for flat-bottom. The range of curved switches in BS-113A rail would be suitable for 10-15 year old track at your period.

For your intended shunting operations you will surely need a run-round facility somewhere on-scene? Another crossover near the lower end of the main lines would do that.

regards,

Martin.
Hi Martin,
I've made the changes, and I think the layout is now complete, except....

I've changed the crossover above as suggested, but heel of the points won't quite "bend" enough to line up with the main. I can get to with 1/2 a rail width, but no further. Stangely, if the heel is offset by a whole rail with or so the radius is 109", but moving it over 1/2 a rail the radius becomes 57"!
Obviously I'm missing something - any ideas?

Latest file is attached.

Cheers
Richard

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posted: 26 Nov 2007 04:23

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BeamEnds wrote:
Obviously I'm missing something - any ideas?
Hi Richard,

I think what you're missing might be this :) :

odd_radius.pngodd_radius.png

Templot limits the radius to double the track gauge (64mm) as self-preservation in the maths. Unfortunately that includes parts of the alignment which are beyond the boundaries of the visible template.

I will have a look at a solution and report back.

regards,

Martin.

posted: 16 Mar 2008 18:06

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Hi All,
Soddingham-under-Piddle is is now on the verge of leaving the virtual world to enter the "real" world. Following some gentle nudging from Martin I've converted to 0-FS (see many posts on these groups for the rationale) and changed things about a bit following following some not so gentle nudging from Duat Mat Dan (aka Robert The Construction Operative), i.e "I've made your basboard narrower because you won't be able to reach the middle" - curse him, despite haveing a negative interest in model railways, he was right!

Anyway, attached is the "final" (cough) layout and the background file - it may be of interest for those considering 0-FS to compare the diamonds now with the originals (they havn't moved since the original plan).

There is one oustanding question though - the slip road on the single slip hits the check rails - what would be the soultion here? Shorter check rails, or maybe make the "junction" into a traingle? Any suggestions welcome.

Cheers
Richard

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16 Mar 2008 18:07

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...... and heres the background file....

Cheers
Richard
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