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topic: 2664Templot and matching C&L or SMP flexi
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posted: 31 Mar 2015 13:36

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This discussion got going on RMWeb, but its probably better here.

What is the best way to set up Templot to match either C&L or SMP flexi, since both of these compromise the sleeper width and spacing

I dont think see there are any presets that help in Templot.

Did you ever think of putting sleeper length, size and spacing as options for the " gauge" setting. I know this isn't technically correct , but to would solve a situation
dave

posted: 31 Mar 2015 15:04

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Martin Wynne
 
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madscientist wrote:
What is the best way to set up Templot to match either C&L or SMP flexi, since both of these compromise the sleeper width and spacing
Hi Dave,

Flexi-track doesn't have the closed-up sleeper spacing at the rail joints, so first you need to create a custom plain track setting with constant sleeper spacing. real > plain track options > rail lengths and sleeper spacings... menu item:

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Stuart Hince wrote a nice tutorial showing how to set up custom plain track in Templot, see:

 http://templot.com/martweb/pdf_files/gwr_track_panels.pdf

Then you can set the sleeper sizes at real > timbering > timbering data... menu item.

You could then store a library template containing these settings. And post the file here for everyone to share? :)

(If you call the file start.box Templot will load it automatically on start-up.)

Did you ever think of putting sleeper length, size and spacing as options for the "gauge" setting?
That wouldn't make sense, because not everyone using a gauge wants to use the same settings.

Sharing .box files is the best way of making such settings available.

If you tell me the exact spacing and sleeper sizes for some flexi-track, I will post some files myself. :)

regards,

Martin.

posted: 31 Mar 2015 16:56

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p.s. Dave,

I may have misunderstood what you were asking.

I can easily add additional entries in the gauge/scale list. For example there is some discussion on RMweb of using 1:80 scale for 00 track instead of 1:76.2. This would make the sleepers print out smaller and closer together, of course. It could be called DN Gauge (Double N, which for most of the world is 1:160).

regards,

Martin.

posted: 31 Mar 2015 17:23

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The library confuses me ( its bad when a 20 year programmer is confused) , is there a help or video

posted: 31 Mar 2015 18:02

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madscientist wrote:
The library confuses me ( its bad when a 20 year programmer is confused) , is there a help or video
Hi Dave,

Sometimes I think I should simply switch the whole Templot project off for a few years while I write a full updated set of docs, and only then switch it back on.

Otherwise I shall spend the rest of my life explaining things ad hoc over and over again as new users arrive and never get time to produce the definitive user documentation.

Library templates are explained on this page, see library templates in the menu on the left:

 http://templot.com/martweb/pug_info_1.htm

but of course it is an ancient page from 2003 so needs a lot of updating. :(

The idea is that library templates are stored in the storage box (and the .box file) for the purpose of being re-used as required in different track plans, and not as part of a specific track plan. So the only thing you can do with them is copy them to the control template.

This is different from other unused templates in the storage box, which can be copied onto the trackpad as background templates directly from the storage box, and usually relate to the specific track plan under design.

You can easily store any template as a library template:

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which then shows marked in green in the storage box:

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Click the ? help button on the storage box for some more notes.

regards,

Martin.

posted: 31 Mar 2015 18:29

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my confusion is how I recall the library templates to use them again, I use the ' copy to control template ", but for example I assume that if my current control template is a plain track , then the library template overwrites it, but it doesn't seem to work that way

i will read why you've pointed me at

(part of the problem is the nomenclature:cool:)

posted: 31 Mar 2015 18:30

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sorry re duplicates, hard to remember if you have clicked " send"

posted: 31 Mar 2015 18:45

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madscientist wrote:
my confusion is how I recall the library templates to use them again, I use the ' copy to control template", but for example I assume that if my current control template is a plain track , then the library template overwrites it, but it doesn't seem to work that way
Hi Dave,

It should work that way. Copying anything into the control template replaces what was previously there. If it doesn't, it is a bug. Can you provide a recipe to reproduce it?

You can see if you have clicked the Send button because the roundel will be rotating in the browser tab, waiting for the updated topic page.

I added a script which removes the Send button when it is clicked, so it's difficult to understand how some users often make multiple posts. Do you have scripting disabled? Or maybe you are using the Quick Reply box?

regards,

Martin.

posted: 31 Mar 2015 18:46

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Martin, sorry to be pain,

Library templates still confuse me

I can create them easily enough and they appear in the storage box.

put when I activate the storage box ( Ctrl-B) the current control ( in white ) vanishes ) and when I select the " copy to template " in the storage box, the library templates overlays in its original position as a control template, whereas I presumed the , say plain track control I was using would now have the template " inserted into it"

So if you are using a standard turnout , how can I " reuse " the library template in different locations

if you see what I mean

posted: 31 Mar 2015 18:57

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to elaborate

can i define a turnout, with all the custom settings, etc , store it in the library, and have it " inserted into plain track " as and when i need it. that would allow me to reuse components , but not in the same physical location


thanks again

posted: 31 Mar 2015 19:16

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Hi Dave,

There are lots of options, it depends what you are trying to do.

See for example on the storage box, the edit > obtain to the control template > menu items.

Another option would be the align functions. Put the first control template on the background. Copy the library template into the control template. Click on the background template and peg/align tools > align control template over background template >. Then delete the background template (you can click it through the control template). Leaving the ex-library template in its place.

But I suspect what you are really looking for are the modify on rebuild functions. You can update one or a group of background templates to match the control template in various ways. For the timber spacings and sizes for example. Copy the library template into the control template, then see:

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regards,

Martin.

posted: 31 Mar 2015 20:43

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choices


Sorry one last question for today

I have set my plain track to suit SMP etc and rail joints are in effect in the middle of two plain sleepers. I notice on transition curves ( I'm happy with these now) that it still makes two close sleepers per panel end length
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posted: 31 Mar 2015 20:49

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madscientist wrote:
Sorry one last question for today

I have set my plain track to suit SMP etc and rail joints are in effect in the middle of two plain sleepers. I notice on transition curves ( I'm happy with these now) that it still makes two close sleepers per panel end length
Hi Dave,

What's the question? :?

Martin.

posted: 1 Apr 2015 12:08

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can I stop templot when it generates a transition curve from applying closer sleepers at the panel joins. Im trying to make all plain track confirm to flexitrack measurements, so that the resulting templates are correct

DAve

posted: 1 Apr 2015 12:58

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madscientist wrote:
can I stop templot when it generates a transition curve from applying closer sleepers at the panel joins. Im trying to make all plain track confirm to flexitrack measurements, so that the resulting templates are correct
Hi Dave,

??? :?

Transition curves don't make any difference to the plain track spacing settings.

Have you created a custom plain track setting? You need to obtain it into the control template.

If you tell me the spacing (to sleeper centres) in mm (or number of sleepers per yard or per metre) I will do it for you and attach a file.

When you say "so that the resulting templates are correct", they won't strictly be that unless you are modelling cwr (long-welded) track. Prototype UK jointed track has the sleepers closed-up at the joints.

When laying flexi-track, some users prefer to close up the sleepers to match the template, rather than the other way round.

regards,

Martin.

posted: 1 Apr 2015 18:29

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Sorry Martin, were at cross purposes

following your instructions I crated a plan track that matched SMP spacing, in particular there is no closer spacing as the track joint

This is what I meant in making the template " correct" , Im not emulating prototype , Im emulating SMP. what I want is to print out all the templates and have the plain track work match SMP as close as possible


SO , what I have found is my plain track in templot matches the SMP track,( yes I created a template ) but when it creates transition curves , Templot still closes up the sleeper gap at the ends of the rail panel length. ( can that be disabled )
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posted: 1 Apr 2015 18:46

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madscientist wrote:
but when it creates transition curves , Templot still closes up the sleeper gap at the ends of the rail panel length. ( can that be disabled )
Hi Dave,

No it doesn't. There is simply no way that can happen. :)

If you post your .box file here, I will see what is happening and advise.

regards,

Martin.

posted: 1 Apr 2015 20:08

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Mea culpa , had the wrong plain track length set for the SMP sleeper setting!!



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