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posted: 28 Mar 2017 13:51 from: Tony W
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Ariels Girdle wrote: Using old, familiar F keys and not browsing through menus makes it easy to miss new features. Last week I showed someone how to make an ordinary crossover - he had been doing it manually for years without being aware of the possibility of doing it automatically.I guess we are all guilty of that from time to time, but as Martin posts the updates here as new facilities become available, the least we can do is take the trouble to read them periodically! Regards Tony. |
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posted: 28 Mar 2017 15:14 from: Phil O
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Reading them is one thing, remembering them is something different again, I'm afraid. Phil |
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posted: 28 Mar 2017 17:14 from: Tony W
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Hi Phil. Yea, know what you mean. Tony. |
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posted: 28 Mar 2017 18:41 from: Martin Wynne
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Tony W wrote: I guess we are all guilty of that from time to time, but as Martin posts the updates here as new facilities become available, the least we can do is take the trouble to read them periodically!You would need to go back a long way to see the introduction of the tools > make crossover function, it was part of the first release 17 years ago: tut5-16.gif  But if you do read about new functions and try them, it would be helpful to post something saying so. That makes it more likely that others will notice it too. For example in the latest program update I added the extend/shorten to meet functions. I have found them extremely useful and time-saving, and I've been kicking myself for not doing some such years ago. See: topic 2969 I prepared a short tutorial page about them (begin paragraph 6): http://templot.com/companion/link_existing.html But so far silence. I don't know if anyone has tried them, found them useful, found any problems? Which means I suspect that the majority of users have not discovered them. I don't really know what I can do about that -- perhaps a flashing "Did you know? / Tip of the day" panel at start-up? Those can be very annoying to regular users. Also the new peg positions, TEXITP and TMINP, see: topic 2977 Martin. |
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posted: 28 Mar 2017 21:20 from: Nigel Brown click the date to link to this post click member name to view archived images |
Martin Don't think there's an awful lot you can do. I make a vague mental note along the lines of "there's some new stuff which could be very useful", but I tend to operate on a need to know basis. At the moment I'm working 100% on the existing layout with just the odd bit of plain track to add, so wouldn't try them out. I have a second layout at the back of my thoughts, and if I get stuck into that I'll do an exercise in getting up to speed with what's new. So long as I can look back and pick up what's evolved that's good enough for me, but doesn't help you. Think it's down to those active on a regular basis to try the odd thing out. Cheers Nigel |
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posted: 28 Mar 2017 22:50 from: Godfrey Earnshaw
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OK Martin, I tried the, "extend/shorten to meet", functions almost as soon as you introduced them. My first thoughts were, "why bother". My second and subsequent thoughts are, "these are brilliant, don't need to keep zooming and changing the length, why has it taken so long for Martin to introduce them". irritates a bit when it says: "Small error found: If extended the control template will not align perfectly with the background template, but may be acceptable for use. The discrepancies will be: on X: 0.055 mm on Y: 0.021 mm on angle: 0.013 degrees..... However, I've got used to it now. Most of the functions you introduce are successful, I think, but one has to use and test them in order to appreciate their worth, which is not always immediately apparent. Godders |
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posted: 28 Mar 2017 23:33 from: Martin Wynne
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Godfrey Earnshaw wrote: I tried the, "extend/shorten to meet", functions almost as soon as you introduced them. My first thoughts were, "why bother". My second and subsequent thoughts are, "these are brilliant, don't need to keep zooming and changing the length, why has it taken so long for Martin to introduce them".Thanks Godders. Can you explain why you find that irritating? Would you prefer that Templot didn't warn you? The discrepancy in the rail edges is likely to be noticeable when zoomed in. Most of the functions you introduce are successful, I think, but one has to use and test them in order to appreciate their worth, which is not always immediately apparent.Or ever.  When I added the pad bunching function way back in the original version I thought that at times it would be very useful, allowing both ends of a long template to be seen without zooming out, while making adjustments. In practice I can't remember ever using it, and I doubt anyone else ever has.  trackpad > zoom/view > paper bunching on then action > mouse actions: trackpad > adjust paper bunching Notice the jump in the grid labels: 2_281826_570000000.png  regards, Martin. |
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posted: 29 Mar 2017 09:01 from: Stephen Freeman
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Hi Martin, I'm sure the new Peg positions will be useful and I will probably be using them at some point in the near future. I could certainly have used them on the last plan I did. However it may be a week or two before I can get around to trying them out. |
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posted: 29 Mar 2017 09:09 from: Godfrey Earnshaw
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Martin as I said at the end, I've got used to it. However, thinking about it, it's perhaps too wordy and I'm not sure the statistics help, I'll get back to you on that aspect. Now that you have roused me, the other message is more irritating, "The control template does not align.....". This is irritating because most of the time it doesn't seem to be true. If the message come up I often extend the turnout with "F4 Length or Tools>make branch track" and they line up perfectly. Cheers Godders P.S. I still appreciate your efforts. Templot keeps me from getting senile, the alternative is Bingo I'm told. |
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posted: 29 Mar 2017 12:03 from: stuart1600
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Martin Wynne wrote: I've been using the new TEXITP peg position quite a lot, and have found it really useful; so thanks for adding that. I've also played around a bit with the extend/shorten function, but not needed to use it in earnest so far; but I don't recall encountering any problems with it - it seemed to do what I expected. As ever, many thanks for your continuing enhancements to the already superb Templot. Regards, Stuart |
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posted: 29 Mar 2017 12:14 from: Phil O
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Hi Martin, I have used the TEXITP a couple of time and I think I am, about to find a use for the Extend/Shorten function. Thanks Phil |
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posted: 29 Mar 2017 12:52 from: Godfrey Earnshaw
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Hi Martin Should I have moved this to Templot Talk, it seems like I/We are hijacking this subject. I have been experimenting with the, "extend/shorten to meet", functions. One of the things I have done is create a template of a turnout, from a straight track, then use tools>make split>make separate exit track. I have then shortened the straight track away from the turnout. However, when I then use the, "peg align tools>extend/shorten.....>at control 6", function, I get the, "The control template does not align...", message. As I know it does align, what is the problem, am I wrong to expect it to? Godders |
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posted: 29 Mar 2017 14:43 from: Martin Wynne
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Godfrey Earnshaw wrote:then use tools>make split>make separate exit track. I have then shortened the straight track away from the turnout. However, when I then use the, "peg align tools>extend/shorten.....>at control 6", function, I get the, "The control template does not align...", message.Hi Godders, That should be at CTRL-9 on the main-side (MS). CTRL-6 is on the turnout-side (TS) vee-joint. You would use that after make branch track if that track has been shortened or snaked away at some stage. CTRL-8 is on the main-side (MS) vee-joint. CTRL-8 and CTRL-9 (overall length) is the same location immediately after a split, but not if you subsequently extend (or shorten) the turnout length. For plain track templates CTRL-1 (rail joint) and CTRL-9 (overall length) is always the same location (opposite end to CTRL-0). I will change the menu wording to make it clearer. Thanks. For more information about the peg positions, see: http://templot.com/martweb/gs_geometry.htm#peg_positions Sorry it is a bit out of date, like most things. Yes, we seem to have changed topics -- nothing new there. I will split this off into a separate topic. regards, Martin. |
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posted: 29 Mar 2017 16:16 from: Godfrey Earnshaw
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Hi Martin Don't need to change it for me, it's just me getting old. Thanks Godders |
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