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posted: 29 Jan 2018 19:07 from: madscientist click the date to link to this post click member name to view archived images |
Martin, maybe this is the designed behaviour Say I "make the control" on a given background template, then elsewhere I select a background template , hit "D" , ( I'm usually doing this because I have created or suspect I have created two background templates on the same spot ) I may hit "D" a few times , typically until I see the template clear from the screen, at that point , I know I have no duplicates on the screen Then I hit Ctrl-Z to restore the last deleted template , thats fine , it reappears BUT, the control template that is elsewhere disappears and is gone ??? dave |
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posted: 29 Jan 2018 19:33 from: madscientist click the date to link to this post click member name to view archived images |
as an aside , A great option in Templot would be to have a double click to turn a selected background template into a control while at the same time returning the previous control to the background , it would save lot of key presses and duplicate template creation ( which is no matter how I try it is a" feature" of my Templot usage ) regards dave |
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posted: 29 Jan 2018 19:41 from: Martin Wynne
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madscientist wrote:Then I hit Ctrl-Z to restore the last deleted template, that's fine , it reappearsHi Dave, CTRL-Z also does a copy to the control, and hides it so that you can see the restored background template. If you want the previous control template back, use the normal functions for that: CTRL+U or blue left-arrow tool-button or SHIFT+CTRL+ROLL mouse wheel, or do > undo changes to the control template menu item. I may look again at this, but the dialog which appears for CTRL+Z does tell you about the above. regards, Martin. |
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posted: 29 Jan 2018 19:52 from: madscientist click the date to link to this post click member name to view archived images |
Hi Martin heres the exact sequence and Ill post the box files 1, I load the box files 2. The previous control is shown ( on top of a background ) 3. I select another template ( it goes white ) 4. I hit "M" , I get that template as a control 5. I know this creates a duplicate , so I select the previous template. i.e. white , ( that was the original control ) and I hit D, I hit D again ( to be sure there isnt any duplicates ) 6. The background template disappears 7. OK, so now I know theres no hidden duplicates , so I hit CTRL-Z and the back ground template re appears However 8. The new control template disappears ( as you say ) BUT, hitting the blue arrows or CTRL-U , just brings back the original template as a control , it does not bring back the newer control That control cant be recovered and as far as i can see is lost |
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posted: 29 Jan 2018 20:02 from: Martin Wynne
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madscientist wrote:A great option in Templot would be to have a double click to turn a selected background template into a control while at the same time returning the previous control to the backgroundHi Dave, But that's what make the control does. One click and them M. If you want that on just a single left click, try the make-on-click mode. Right-click for the full menu. program > program panel > click mode options > menu options. Double-clicking is reserved for the chosen preferred mouse action. regards, Martin. |
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posted: 29 Jan 2018 20:09 from: madscientist click the date to link to this post click member name to view archived images |
Martin Wynne wrote: madscientist wrote:yes martin , but its generates duplicates ,A great option in Templot would be to have a double click to turn a selected background template into a control while at the same time returning the previous control to the backgroundHi Dave, for example I am often reviewing a complete or near compete diagram, so I am making controls from templates largely in the right place etc SO I click on the template , its goes white , I hit M , that makes the previous control into a template which is often a duplicate I then have to D the backgrounds out Its probably the most exasperating issue I have , The fact that I do not have a consistant way too create a control from a background , without creating in some cases a duplicate ill try single clock mode |
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posted: 29 Jan 2018 20:16 from: Martin Wynne
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madscientist wrote: Here's the exact sequence and Ill post the box filesHi Dave, Why are you doing that 4. ? If you don't want the starting control template (why not? it's what you were working on previously), click on the one you do want and then either delete to the control (T) or copy to the control (C) depending on what you intend to do next. God, I'm so tired of explaining all this over and over again over the years. From where I'm sitting it is all so blindingly obvious. You have some stored templates in a box. You select the one you want, and decide what you want to do with it. Just the same as if they were paper templates. You can chuck it in the bin. You can photocopy it. Martin. |
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posted: 29 Jan 2018 20:18 from: madscientist click the date to link to this post click member name to view archived images |
Hi martin theres the issue with Ctrl Z m ctrl U I attach a MOV file , ( quick time ) dave sorry its 24 meg and I cant upload Ill trim it |
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posted: 29 Jan 2018 20:25 from: madscientist click the date to link to this post click member name to view archived images |
Martin Wynne wrote: madscientist wrote:The reason I do that is that I have a consistant way to make controls and save them without constantly trying to remember what Im doing , ( or forgetting to save the control ) Ie most of the time Make is fine chill martin, if you look around the forum , the issue of duplicates is quite common as a general comment , as an application programmer of 30 years and a user of countless CAD, design , etc etc etc applications , its far from blindingly obvious" .Here's the exact sequence and Ill post the box files 1, I load the box files 2. The previous control is shown ( on top of a background ) 3. I select another template ( it goes white ) 4. I hit "M" , I get that template as a controlHi Dave, Why are you doing that 4. ? If you don't want the starting control template (why not? it's what you were working on previously), click on the one you do want and then either delete to the control (T) or copy to the control (C) depending on what you intend to do next. God, I'm so tired of explaining all this over and over again over the years. From where I'm sitting it is all so blindingly obvious. You have some stored templates in a box. You select the one you want, and decide what you want to do with it. Just the same as if they were paper templates. You can chuck it in the bin. You can photocopy it. Martin. The point is if expert users of application software , find this stuff confusing , I would humbly suggest that Im not the issue !!!  |
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posted: 29 Jan 2018 20:31 from: madscientist click the date to link to this post click member name to view archived images |
OK , leaving aside " why " I'm doing something have a look at this video ( appologies its a crappy MP4 converted from a MOV, which is too big , but it should be OK ) its shows the sequence from a brand new loading of templot , opening an existing box file etc I use M ( lets leave that aside for a minute ) , but something very strange occurs |
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| Last edited on 29 Jan 2018 20:39 by madscientist |
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posted: 29 Jan 2018 20:49 from: madscientist click the date to link to this post click member name to view archived images |
Hi martin , thanks I tried make on click and that probably works better for me however I still dont understand the behaviour in the video I submitted Interestingly , This doesnt happen if I use make on click |
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posted: 29 Jan 2018 21:15 from: madscientist click the date to link to this post click member name to view archived images |
anyways , martin , chill , I'm all sorted , still cant explain the quirk in the video, but its not affecting what I do Dave now happily using click on make |
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posted: 29 Jan 2018 21:35 from: Martin Wynne
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madscientist wrote:however I still don't understand the behaviour in the video I submittedHi Dave, When making a video you must use the menus. Pressing keyboard shortcuts makes it almost impossible to follow.  But it was so fuzzy I could barely make out what was happening. I couldn't see what was the issue you are reporting. If you want to make screen videos may I suggest the free version of the FBR recorder: http://www.flashbackrecorder.com/fbexpress/ FBR files can be attached here. They will open in the Templot Video Player if clicked on. p.s. despite the name it is not related to Adobe Flash format. cheers, Martin. |
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posted: 29 Jan 2018 21:45 from: madscientist click the date to link to this post click member name to view archived images |
Martin Wynne wrote: madscientist wrote:sorry martin FBR is only windowshowever I still don't understand the behaviour in the video I submittedHi Dave, I have a MOV at 10,5 megs, but you have a limit on uploads Ill see if I can transcode a higher quality MPG Don't get too het up about it its just a funny artefact appears at the end of the undo |
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posted: 29 Jan 2018 21:55 from: Martin Wynne
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madscientist wrote:sorry martin FBR is only windowsBut your video was made on Windows?  Martin. |
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posted: 29 Jan 2018 22:04 from: madscientist click the date to link to this post click member name to view archived images |
Martin Wynne wrote: madscientist wrote:naw MOV at full quality transcoded into crappy Mp4 , like you I hate Mpegsorry martin FBR is only windowsBut your video was made on Windows? |
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posted: 29 Jan 2018 22:10 from: Martin Wynne
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madscientist wrote:naw MOV at full quality transcoded into crappy Mp4 , like you I hate MpegI meant you are obviously running Templot on Windows, and could therefore run the FBR recorder on there too. regards, Martin. |
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posted: 29 Jan 2018 22:45 from: madscientist click the date to link to this post click member name to view archived images |
heres the fbr leaving aside the great "M" debate , the issue is the artefact displayed and the fact that the control 2nd template is lost |
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posted: 30 Jan 2018 00:01 from: Martin Wynne
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Hi Dave, Thanks for the FBR video. It's clear that after a CTRL+Z undo delete there is something wrong with the index into the cyclic rollback register. It is possible to find the missing control template using SHIFT+CTRL+ROLL on the mouse wheel, but not it seems by the other means. Which is rather odd, given that they all use the same routines. I need to look into it. Thanks for reporting it. regards, Martin. |
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posted: 30 Jan 2018 00:10 from: madscientist click the date to link to this post click member name to view archived images |
no problems , dont worry its a small thing , but it caught my eye dave |
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