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posted: 27 Mar 2008 15:56 from: Templot User
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Does anyone have any comments about the P4 track company system with chairs and pips on the sleepers, is it easy to use, is it accurate. I have built track with plastic chairs on ply sleepers which I like, so can the chairs be used in conjunction with this rather than using the plastic sleepers which I would prefer not to do. Andrew Shillito |
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posted: 27 Mar 2008 20:20 from: Alan Turner
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Templot User wrote: Does anyone have any comments about the P4 track company system with chairs and pips on the sleepers, is it easy to use, is it accurate. I have built track with plastic chairs on ply sleepers which I like, so can the chairs be used in conjunction with this rather than using the plastic sleepers which I would prefer not to do. You can buy wood sleepers from P4 Track as well as wood crossing timbers. However they are 1.6mm thick (to match their plastic). Alan |
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posted: 27 Mar 2008 20:47 from: Richard Webster
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Hi Alan, If you have access to Model Railway Journal, then please refer to issue 153 page 217 for an excellent review by, none other than, Steve Hall. Regards, Richard |
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posted: 27 Mar 2008 23:18 from: Alan Turner
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Richard Webster wrote: Hi Alan, But that article only covers the use of plastic timber base, not the use of the alternative wood timbers. You have the advantage of me; I am not acquainted with Steve Hall. Alan |
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posted: 27 Mar 2008 23:31 from: Richard Webster
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Hi Alan, In part of your first posting you asked "Does anyone have any comments about the P4 track company system with chairs and pips on the sleepers, is it easy to use, is it accurate." I think that you will find Steve Hall article answers that part of your posting. Steve Hall built Halifax Kings Cross the P4 layout which has appeared at the exhibitions for many years. Regards, Richard. Alan Turner wrote: Richard Webster wrote:Hi Alan,But that article only covers the use of plastic timber base, not the use of the alternative wood timbers. |
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posted: 28 Mar 2008 00:02 from: rodney_hills
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Richard Webster wrote (snipped): Steve Hall built Halifax Kings Cross the P4 layout which has appeared at the exhibitions for many years. Halifax King Cross, methinks. Regards, Rodney Hills |
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posted: 28 Mar 2008 02:16 from: Richard Webster
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Hi Rodney, Thanks. Oops! Sorry. Regards, Richard. rodney_hills wrote:
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posted: 28 Mar 2008 13:11 from: Alan Turner
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Richard Webster wrote: Hi Alan, Andrew Shillito asked that. Alan |
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posted: 28 Mar 2008 16:53 from: JohnM
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Andrew, I have used the Exactotrack chairs on ply sleepers for a number of years, using butanone as usual. Very pleased with the outcome. In my opinion they look better than 'another make,' although to be fair to the latter I am using them on a 'joint layout' which was started before the former became available. I understand the designer of Exacto was the original designer of the 'other make'; so one would expect an improvement. John M PS: I am also using steel rail, which seems to be out of favour, judging by recent comments! |
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posted: 29 Mar 2008 11:12 from: George Harris
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JohnM wrote: Andrew, Hi John I have used steel rail for over 30 years. The grip is so much better and the colour more realistic although I have used blacking on the sides after all fixing to give a little protection. I have a Tandem point which is over 30 years old and the top still comes up shiny. Electrical connection has never been an issue. I have found it a lot harder to solder without lead in the pencil so to speak. What has been said on here as I have missed it? Thanks George. |
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posted: 29 Mar 2008 16:15 from: JohnM
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George, The arguments tend to revolve around its appearance. The steel rail on the 'real thing' has a distinctive shine, which of course the model rail does not have. I understand another alloy of 'nickel silver' has been produced which has this shine. Never seen it, no comment. However there are two advantages of steel which have not been mentioned; 1. it is much easier to keep clean. 2. less expansion, which can be a problem at exhibitions. At the recent Notts X, I know of one layout which experienced expansion problems. Regards, John M |
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posted: 29 Mar 2008 16:29 from: Martin Wynne
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George Harris wrote:What has been said on here as I have missed it?Hi George, The previous discussion on here was at: topic 321 The main worry is about rusting. Not everyone can guarantee a dry heated environment for the lifetime of a layout. I have seen a P4 layout which was red with rust and unusable. There are also worries about the long-term reliability of soldered fixings and electrical connections, again because of corrosion. C&L have introduced a new nickel-silver alloy with a much higher nickel content which doesn't have the yellow tinge of traditional nickel-silver. Many who have seen it believe it looks more like shiny steel rail than the dull grey colour of model steel rail. And it won't rust, of course. regards, Martin. |
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posted: 3 Apr 2008 22:17 from: Andy G click the date to link to this post click member name to view archived images |
I've used the P4Track Co chairs on ply sleepers with Nickel Silver rail with no issues. Current practice is to use a rivetted sleeper roughly every fifth sleeper in turnouts but only ply and chairs on the plain track. Andy |
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