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posted: 10 Apr 2008 00:02 from: jeckardt
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[using Templot v0.91.c] I'm running a Windows XP pro dual-headed system. The desktop spans both monitors. Templot runs fine in this environment but... I will often put Templot in a window, then move and resize the window to use the entire right (#2) monitor. Then I bring up notes or whatever on the left (#1) monitor to work from. This works fine except that the left-click pop-up menu associated with background templates always pops up on the extreme left edge of the desktop... in this case that's the left edge of monitor #1 even though templot is running on monitor #2. So in the best of cases I have to mouse across both monitors to get to that menu. In the worst case I'm so focused on the templot window that I don't realize the menu popped up on the other monitor and keep clicking the mouse waiting for the menu. Note: The right-click on the background templates pops up at the mouse cursor location, so it is exactly where you'd expect and want it to be. The left-click pop-up should do the same. Thanks, Joe |
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posted: 10 Apr 2008 01:02 from: Paul Boyd
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FWIW, I've replicated this exactly. Could this be a bug?  |
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posted: 10 Apr 2008 05:24 from: Martin Wynne
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Paul Boyd wrote: FWIW, I've replicated this exactly. Could this be a bug?Hi Joe, Paul, You can't really call it a bug because it's doing exactly what I designed it to do. The pop-up menu for a background template pops up as far left as it can go. This is to avoid obstructing your view of the template while referring to its menu. For multiple monitors I assumed that users would a) have the primary monitor on the left, and b) have Templot running across all monitors, or running on the left one(s) only with other stuff on the right. I can change the pop-up position, but I have a feeling that wherever I put it will be wrong for someone. I will look at putting it in a draggable tool window, so that you can move it to wherever you want. Note that you don't have to mouse all across the screen to it. In 082d and later, most items on the menu have underlined accelerator keys. So to zoom pad to fit you can just click on the template and then press Z on the keyboard. regards, Martin. |
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posted: 10 Apr 2008 21:46 from: jeckardt
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I can accept "by design". I only have a limited usage history at the moment so I don't yet know if that menu always being hard-left edge is a good thing or a bad thing. I'm sure you had very good reason for making that decision. Certainly not a killer issue in any case. And as you say, as I get used to the accelerator keys it will become even less of an issue. Btw, I've found that with most CAD programs I usually put the working window (the pad in the case of Templot) to full size of the left (#1) monitor, then move all of the reference windows and tool bars to the right (#2) monitor. And of course use #2 for reference material. That avoids the main drawing window being split across the middle by the monitor separation, and keeps the drawing window from being cluttered with stuff. Of course this approach only works with programs that do not constrain the auxilliary windows and menus to be within the frame of the main drawing window. As an example, Adobe Photoshop works particularly well in this mode. I would LOVE if the Templot Zoom/Pan and Information windows could be moved outside of the pad frame, i.e., independantly to the second monitor. Storage Box and and of course the Control Panel already float. There may be other pop-up windows as well that I'm not thinking of, but those two are the ones that seem to get in the way the most and are constantly getting moved. [Yea, I know, I can temporarily hide or minimize those already, but that kind of defeats the point.] The ONLY ones worth doing this to are the ones that get left up for reference; the "setting" and "parameter" windows would not benefit from being unconstrained to the pad as you focus on them until you're done with them, then close them. Just a thought. Thanks, Joe |
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posted: 10 Apr 2008 22:27 from: Martin Wynne
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jeckardt wrote: I would LOVE if the Templot Zoom/Pan and Information windows could be moved outside of the pad frame, i.e., independently to the second monitor.Hi Joe, This was discussed recently: topic 97 I will look again at moving zoom/pan outside the pad. The problem is that any use of such external windows shifts the focus away from the pad, requiring an extra click on the pad to get going again. A better solution might be to extend the pad across all monitors, and then have an option to restrict the working area to a defined rectangle. I will look at that too. You can manage very well without the zoom/pan window visible. In addition to drag-panning with the mouse (091c), you can use the arrow keys for panning, and also the CTRL+F2 mouse action. The zooming buttons are duplicated on the top row of the pad, and you can also zoom on the keyboard or the mouse wheel. The option to cycle to and fro through recent views (091c) is available as SHIFT+ROLL on the mouse wheel, even when the zoom/pan window is hidden. There is a trick you can use for the information panel. expand it. Click the edit button. The data now appears (and will be continuously updated) in a separate window which can be dragged outside the pad. You can then shrink or hide the information panel without losing the data. regards, Martin. |
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posted: 10 Apr 2008 23:37 from: jeckardt
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Martin Wynne wrote: There is a trick you can use for the information panel. expand it. Click the edit button. The data now appears (and will be continuously updated) in a separate window which can be dragged outside the pad. You can then shrink or hide the information panel without losing the data. Now THAT is a cute trick! I'll remember that one. Thanks, Joe |
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posted: 16 Mar 2009 22:39 from: dessire_luvals click the date to link to this post click member name to view archived images |
jeckardt wrote:I agree, very frustrating. I still prefer mouse (trackball) actions to menu keys or at least one or the other. What would be neat would be the capability to drag the left button menu to where you want it and the for it it to appear at that point every time. The popups that come with certain mouse commands like shove timber/length would also benefit from this capablity so that you could position the popup close to the timbers you are working on. |
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