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posted: 11 Jun 2008 19:50

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Martin Wynne
 
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Dear all,

Recently I have received several enquiries from intending Templot users asking about using Templot on a Mac computer.

Typically they want to know whether it is or isn't possible, on which Mac versions, with which OS, additional software, etc., and lots of other Mac-speak which goes over my head.

I know, because you've told me, that Templot runs fine on the latest Intel-based Macs. But as to which Mac versions and model numbers that refers to, what extra is needed or comes ready installed, how much it costs, and where you put the oil in, I haven't the faintest idea. :(

So if one of you who is a Mac-using Temploteer would be willing to write a simple beginner's guide to getting Templot working on a Mac, to which I can refer folks, I would be very grateful.

i.e. assuming you have just taken your first Mac out of its box and switched it on, the simplest most straightforward route for a beginner Mac user to get into Templot. With links to sources and suppliers of whatever is needed.

Not the full go-faster power-user solution. :)

I know this has been covered before in different topics, but I've found it difficult to distil that down to a basic step-by-step guide for Mac beginners who have no knowledge of Templot. I've been unable even to explain what appears on a Mac screen when downloading Templot, and whether such downloading is done using Windows or the Mac OS.

Many thanks for any help.

regards,

Martin.

posted: 12 Jun 2008 00:31

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Graham Astill
 
 

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Martin,

I use Templot on my Mac computer using OSX 10.5 "Leopard" system.  This system incorporates a facility to divide the hard drive  (called the 'boot camp' facility) which I have used to install windows vista home basic system.  This cost about £180 from PC World.

I downloaded Templot into this partitioned drive and find no difficulty in using it.  There was an initial problem over the use of the function keys in windows but this was sorted using the preferences tab in the vista program to restore the windows response to the relevant keys.

This solution is perhaps a bit of a cheat in that it is essentially a windows vista system on a partitioned Mac hard drive and it may not be quite what you had in mind in your request.
If I can be of any further assistance please do not hesitate to contact me.
Yours,   Graham Astill
Martin Wynne wrote:
Dear all,

Recently I have received several enquiries from intending Templot users asking about using Templot on a Mac computer.

Typically they want to know whether it is or isn't possible, on which Mac versions, with which OS, additional software, etc., and lots of other Mac-speak which goes over my head.

I know, because you've told me, that Templot runs fine on the latest Intel-based Macs. But as to which Mac versions and model numbers that refers to, what extra is needed or comes ready installed, how much it costs, and where you put the oil in, I haven't the faintest idea. :(

So if one of you who is a Mac-using Temploteer would be willing to write a simple beginner's guide to getting Templot working on a Mac, to which I can refer folks, I would be very grateful.

i.e. assuming you have just taken your first Mac out of its box and switched it on, the simplest most straightforward route for a beginner Mac user to get into Templot. With links to sources and suppliers of whatever is needed.

Not the full go-faster power-user solution. :)

I know this has been covered before in different topics, but I've found it difficult to distil that down to a basic step-by-step guide for Mac beginners who have no knowledge of Templot. I've been unable even to explain what appears on a Mac screen when downloading Templot, and whether such downloading is done using Windows or the Mac OS.

Many thanks for any help.

regards,

Martin.


posted: 12 Jun 2008 03:43

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pimin
 
Shelton (near The Sound) - Washington USA

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OH DRAT!!!!

I was hoping for a native OS X solution. Running Templot on an M$ Virtual Machine is ..
well, running on an M$ OS ......... <sigh>  *8^(

Paul

posted: 13 Jun 2008 00:49

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Simon Dunkley
 
Oakham - United Kingdom

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Graham Astill wrote:
Martin,

I use Templot on my Mac computer using OSX 10.5 "Leopard" system.  This system incorporates a facility to divide the hard drive  (called the 'boot camp' facility) which I have used to install windows vista home basic system.  This cost about £180 from PC World.

I downloaded Templot into this partitioned drive and find no difficulty in using it.  There was an initial problem over the use of the function keys in windows but this was sorted using the preferences tab in the vista program to restore the windows response to the relevant keys.

This solution is perhaps a bit of a cheat in that it is essentially a windows vista system on a partitioned Mac hard drive and it may not be quite what you had in mind in your request.
If I can be of any further assistance please do not hesitate to contact me.
Yours,   Graham Astill
The only thing I would add is a recommendation to buy something like Parallels, which means you can run the Windows session without having to re-boot. Personally, I thought it worth the extra 50 quid. It is also possible to but an OEM copy of Windows (considerably cheaper) and install that, but that is technially a bit naughty.

It's a lovely combination, shame Templot is unlikely to be offered in a native Mac version.

Simon

posted: 13 Jun 2008 01:06

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pimin
 
Shelton (near The Sound) - Washington USA

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Didn't know I was being naughty with the OEM XP :D

Parallels, VMware Fusion or for the technicaly adventerous XEN ... must be others??

Paul

posted: 13 Jun 2008 01:13

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Simon Dunkley
 
Oakham - United Kingdom

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Graham Astill wrote: 
There was an initial problem over the use of the function keys in windows but this was sorted using the preferences tab in the vista program to restore the windows response to the relevant keys.
Hi Graham,

Can you shed a bit more light on how you did this: where is the preferences tab, for example.

Simon

posted: 14 Jun 2008 00:22

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Graham Astill
 
 

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Simon Dunkley wrote:
Graham Astill wrote: 
There was an initial problem over the use of the function keys in windows but this was sorted using the preferences tab in the vista program to restore the windows response to the relevant keys.
Hi Graham,

Can you shed a bit more light on how you did this: where is the preferences tab, for example.

Simon
Hi Simon,

I followed the Apple boot-camp set-up guide (which my son down-loaded for me) which says at page 18
"In windows, click the Boot Camp system tray item and choose Boot Camp Control Panel.

Click the Keyboard tab.

Select or deselect "Use the F1-F12 keys to control software features"."

I am not in windows mode at present so I cannot direct you to the Boot Camp system tray item but if you have trouble finding it, e-mail again and I will open it up and have another search.

As another response commented, a Mac compatible Templot would be a far better solution  but would no doubt entail an awful lot of work.

Good luck, regards,  Graham Astill

posted: 15 Jun 2008 01:31

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Simon Dunkley
 
Oakham - United Kingdom

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Graham Astill wrote:
I followed the Apple boot-camp set-up guide (which my son down-loaded for me) which says at page 18
"In windows, click the Boot Camp system tray item and choose Boot Camp Control Panel.

Click the Keyboard tab.

Select or deselect "Use the F1-F12 keys to control software features"."

I am not in windows mode at present so I cannot direct you to the Boot Camp system tray item but if you have trouble finding it, e-mail again and I will open it up and have another search.

As another response commented, a Mac compatible Templot would be a far better solution  but would no doubt entail an awful lot of work.

Good luck, regards,  Graham Astill
Ah, that seems to be a useful feature of Boot Camp. I guess there is somethign similar in Parallels, bt pressing the fn key is not a great chore, and I haven't looked long or had enough to find it!
Thanks for the answer.
Simon

posted: 18 Jun 2008 13:31

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Paul Hamilton
 
 

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Hello all, new to all of this but thought I would share my experience:

  • I only obtained Templot last week and I have a 2 year old iMac that I purchased new so it isn't running Leopard I am sure! It is an Intel Dual Core machine and I purchased Parallels which I have used successfully for another Windows application for the last two years. Must check but it will be some version 10 point something OS.
  • I downloaded the Templot file in my Mac environment using my internet browser Safari. I saved it into my Parallels Shared folder that I can access from within Windows XP environment once Parallels is launched.
  • I then went to Parallels, went to the shared folder and found the downloaded file - yipee!
  • Double clicked file icon and the file launched with all the usual install type of things that we would be all used to.
  • Then I double clicked the Templot hard hat icon (all this is still in XP in Parallels by the way) and up came the start screen and then I entered my ID number that Martin had emailed me and away we went.
  • On my first session I then looked at the video clips using by simply switching over to Safari and then flipping back to Parallels to do things.
  • I converted the default point to EM and made it a straight B7 and printed it to my PDF creator (which is the only printer I have available in XP at the moment).
  • I saved the pdfs also into the shared folder and accessed them in the Mac environment using Preview and successfully printed the printer calibration files etc and then printed out the point diagram onto 1 and a bit A4 sheets.
  • By the way, the Function keys worked fine with no additional tweaking either (eg F2 for instance)
That's been my experience so far (apart from having made my very first BH vee and wing rails to (hopefully) suit said B7 turnout)!!

 

Cheers all,

 

Paul
Last edited on 18 Jun 2008 13:49 by Paul Hamilton
posted: 18 Jun 2008 20:29

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Martin Wynne
 
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Hi Paul,

Many thanks for that. It was exactly what I was looking for -- a step-by-step guide to which I can refer folks the next time I get an enquiry which begins "I've been told I can run Templot on my Mac..."

I was beginning to fear that I would actually have to buy a Mac to compile such a guide. With the risk that I might like it too much... :)

Many thanks to everyone for your contributions on this.

regards,

Martin.

posted: 22 Jun 2008 20:22

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Raymond Gibson
 
Jacksonville - Florida USA

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[ have to buy a Mac to compile such a guide. With the risk that I might like it too much... :)

You WOULD! In four months my Mac has given not the slightest hiccup & it is FAST; but the PC with Windows is a pain in the nether region!

Raymond.

posted: 22 Jun 2008 20:51

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its_all_downhill
 
North Yorkshire - United Kingdom

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Yeah go on Martin you know you want one!! :D

Then you could develop an iPhone version of Templot so I can use it when I am away from home, Templot and civilisation!! No only joking.. but if you listen to the WWDC it would be a doddle to port but then I may have been taking to much notice of the Apple reality inversion babble..

Regards
Tom

posted: 18 Jul 2008 19:37

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Martin Wynne
 
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I wrote:
I know, because you've told me, that Templot runs fine on the latest Intel-based Macs. But as to which Mac versions and model numbers that refers to, what extra is needed or comes ready installed, how much it costs, and where you put the oil in, I haven't the faintest idea. :(
For Mac users wanting to run Templot, and Windows users thinking of changing to a Mac, the current September 2008 (!) issue of "Personal Computer World" magazine has a detailed guide on using a Mac as a Windows computer.

http://www.pcw.co.uk/magazine/thisissue

Martin.



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