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posted: 2 Aug 2008 04:02 from: Martyn Grainger Harrison click the date to link to this post click member name to view archived images |
I've got so far with making a d/slip, but have got myself rather confused. I have attached what I have done so far. Any help with the next stage would be most appreciated! I know it looks a little untidy, but thought I would ask anyway. Many thanks Martyn Harrison In the very wet Scottish Borders! |
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posted: 2 Aug 2008 08:54 from: Martin Wynne
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IMPORTANT Hi Martyn, Your .box file is seriously corrupted, and will cause Templot to crash. The data for several templates has been replaced with what seems to be a list of GWR signal boxes???  So I've removed it from your message here on Templot Club. I will post a cleaned-up version later. At present I don't know whether this corruption occurred before you posted it, or while uploading it from your system, or within the Templot Club database, or on my system after downloading. I strongly suspect the first or second, because I don't recall anyone ever posting a list of GWR signal boxes or attaching such a file, and I don't recognise the list as my own. Please could you send it to me again as a direct email attachment to martin@templot.com ? I can then eliminate some of the above possibilities. Many thanks. regards, Martin. |
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posted: 2 Aug 2008 18:17 from: Martin Wynne
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I wrote: Your .box file is seriously corrupted, and will cause Templot to crash. The data for several templates has been replaced with what seems to be a list of GWR signal boxes??? Hi Martyn, Many thanks for sending me the file off-group. It's identical to the one you posted here on Templot Club, and the fact that you had problems with it in Templot means that the corruption occurred before you sent it. It looks as if part of the file failed to save correctly on your hard disk, leaving part of an old deleted file occupying a chunk of the file space. However, since you say you don't have a list of GWR signal boxes, the mystery deepens! It is possible that another .box file or some other file or a web page link containing such a list is doing the rounds. In the file it looks like part of a database or spreadsheet file. How it came to be incorporated in your .box file is a mystery. So in case anyone here recognises this, here it is converted to plain text: ...Bewdley South ÔX...Bewdley North 2002 t ...Kidderminster 20...Arley mi ...Hampton Loade 20 ...Bridgnorth d...[...ley ...Exeter.¶:¬C..........È@.......È@...Exeter West 1970 2 t ...Rotherwas Jcn 70 ...Resolven East 70...Radyr Jcn 1961 0...Radyr Jcn 1984 0...Radyr Jcn 1987 0...Bewdley North 1956 t ...Par Station ...Exeter Central 'B' t.......... ..............iddle Middle Line '.... Mid.... Mid ...DP Exeter Middle Relief Line ' ...UR Exeter Middle Relief Line '.... R .... R ...DM Exeter Middle Main Line ...UM Exeter Middle Main Line .... M ... M City Basin Main Line .... M .... M ... M City Basin Main Line .... M ...DM Hereford Main Line ...UM Hereford Main Line .... M ...DM Newport Main Line .... M .... M ...UM Newport Main Line .... M .... M .... M ...SLRS Ross .... LRS.... LRS.... LRS.... LRS.... LRS.... LRS.... LRS.... LRS.... LRS.... LRS.... LRS.... LRS...DM Llanelly (LJ) Main Line .... M .... M ...UM Llanelly (LJ) Main Line .... M !...DLB Pontardulais Llanelly Branch £!...ULB Pontardulais Llanelly Branch £.... LB .... LB ...DM Skewen (GCL) Main Line ...UM Skewen (GCL) Main Line .... M .... M .... M .... M .... M .... M .... M .... M .... M .... M .... M ...AA ...AB .... B ...DM Pentyrch Crsg Main Line ...UM Pentyrch Crsg Main Line .... M .... M ...DR Pentyrch Crsg Relief Line nc ...UR Pentyrch Crsg Relief Line nc.... R ...DM Llandaff Lp JnMain Line .... M .... M ...UM Llandaff Lp JnMain Line ...DR Llandaff Lp JnRelief Line nc.... R .... R ...UR Llandaff Lp JnRelief Line nc ...DB Radyr QuarryJnBranch Line nc.... B .... B ...UB Radyr QuarryJnBranch Line nc...AC ...AD ...AE ...AF ...AG ...AH ...AJ ...BB ...BC ...BD ...BE ...BF ...BG ...BH ...BJ ...CC ...CD ...CE ...CF ...DA ...DG Acton Down Goods nc.... G .... G ...UG Acton Up Goods s ...DR Acton Down Relief nc.... R .... R ...UR Acton Up Relief .... R .... R .... R ...UM Acton Up Main f .... M ...UP Acton Wells Up Poplar ...DP Acton Wells Down Poplar nc.... P .... P ...DR Old Oak CommonDown Relief nc...UR Old Oak CommonUp Relief .... R .... R .... R ...UM Old Oak CommonUp Main f ... Does that ring a bell with anyone? I will post a cleaned-up .box file shortly, so we can get back to double slips!  regards, Martin. |
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posted: 2 Aug 2008 19:47 from: JFS
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It rings a bell with me - have you got "Signalbox" simulation on your machine? It also uses .box extensions. Regards, Howard |
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posted: 2 Aug 2008 20:28 from: JFS
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.... furthermore, I just had a look in the directory where my (freebie) copy of SignalBox is loaded and all the .box files have a pretty little yellow hat next to them... And with names like StAustell.box there is obvious scope for disaster here. Oh dearie me... Good luck with that one... regards, Howard |
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posted: 3 Aug 2008 00:11 from: Martyn Grainger Harrison click the date to link to this post click member name to view archived images |
Mmmmmmm, interesting development! I don't have Signalbox lurking anywhere, and definately not a list like the one that has unravelled from somewhere. Makes interesting reading though. Martyn |
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posted: 3 Aug 2008 12:52 from: its_all_downhill
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Martyn It might be an idea to search for all .box file types and the you would see if there was rogue files? Regards Tom |
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posted: 3 Aug 2008 15:09 from: Martyn Grainger Harrison click the date to link to this post click member name to view archived images |
I've done a search for all .box files, fortunately there were not a lot. I've looked at them all and all relate to what seems to be normal Templot files when opened. I have to admit though I am no computer Guru, much prefer to be a Guru in training on track building |
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posted: 3 Aug 2008 21:48 from: JFS
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Hello Chaps, I also am more of a railway guru than a computer guru, but, I think that the issue might not be on your machine Martyn, nor with .box files per se. Rather, somewhere on some machine someone has an application (such as SignalBox) which believes "it" rather than Templot "owns" .box files and which therefore has felt free to write data into your file - but I speculate that it could even have happen by someone double clicking on it from this forum. Have a look here... http://www.svrsig.org/diags/Diagrams.htm and you will see why I think that SignalBox is somewhere at the root of this. You may also feel that this is too much of a coincidence. Best Regards, Howard. |
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posted: 4 Aug 2008 01:27 from: Brian Lewis
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JFS wrote: It rings a bell with me - have you got "Signalbox" simulation on your machine? It also uses .box extensions.Sounds interesting. What pray, is 'Signalbox' simulation? Regards Brian Lewis |
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posted: 4 Aug 2008 01:45 from: Alan Turner
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Look at the link in the 9th message. Alan |
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posted: 5 Aug 2008 12:05 from: Martin Wynne
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Martyn Grainger Harrison wrote: I've got so far with making a d/slip, but have got myself rather confused. I have attached what I have done so far. Any help with the next stage would be most appreciated! I know it looks a little untidy, but thought I would ask anyway. Hi Martyn, I have cleaned up your corrupted .box file, and you can download it from: Attached file: slip_for_martyn.box (click link above with right mouse button, then select Save Target As... or Save Link As... ) Here's a screenshot: slip_for_martyn.png  You were doing fine. The next task was to adjust the slip road plain track (template no.6) to line up with the slip switch at the far end (template no. 5). That has to be done manually using the F4 and F6 mouse actions. I have done it for you in the new file. The tools > make slip road function is a little misleading in that regard. It doesn't do the whole job for you.  It simply shortens the slip switch template to the end of the blade planing, and pegs on a length of plain track for use as a slip road. The task of adjusting that plain track to fit the actual formation you are building is left to you.For those uncertain about the meaning of "slip road", here's the digram from the tutorial: slip_road.png  You now have a single slip. So your next job is to repeat the process and add the other slip road to form a double slip. Because this is a straight diamond-crossing, you could simply copy the existing slip road and switches, and peg them onto the other side. Or you can repeat the full process in the video if you prefer. See also the static tutorial notes. Then comes the matter of the conflicting K-crossing check rails. Unfortunately a short 1:5.5 diamond with overscale EM flangeways is inevitably going to need some compromise on this. There is some detailed discussion about this here. The adjustments are at real > K-crossing options > K-crossing check rails... menu item. Read all the F1 and F2 help notes for the full words and music. regards, Martin. |
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posted: 5 Aug 2008 23:46 from: Martyn Grainger Harrison click the date to link to this post click member name to view archived images |
Martin, Thanks for helping me out with this one - a fairly simple enquiry opened a whole can of worms! I can at least look forward to dealing with K crossings and the like, much better than fiddling with PC's. Do I have to do anything with my own copy of Templot, now that the problem is known? Thanks again Martyn |
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