Templot Club Archive 2007-2020                             

topic: 613Raymond's shunting layout
author remove search highlighting
 
posted: 3 Nov 2008 21:33

from:

Raymond
 
Bexhill-on-sea - United Kingdom

click the date to link to this post
click member name to view archived images
view images in gallery view images as slides
I have attached the box file for a project I am working for myself.  Being, despite all the years modelling, the first layout of my own I'd appreciate the input of the more experienced among this experienced group.  7mm scale, 31.2mm gauge.

It is to be largely a freight, parcels and bulk mail, hence the rudimenatry platform, though the odd push-pull and or steam railmotor will come and go on occasion.  Set in Birmingham in 1900 and serving a number of factories in a cramped position, hemmed in by tall buildings.  Most freight sidings disappear into buildings so that incoming wagons can be swapped for full or empty as required.  Some are for vans and will have canopy's.  I have tried to show these using track centrelines.  Is it operationally viable?

All comments will be very much appreciated.

Regards

Raymond
Attachment: attach_394_613_New_shunting_layout_4.box 663

posted: 7 Nov 2008 23:33

from:

davelong
 
 

click the date to link to this post
click member name to view archived images
view images in gallery view images as slides
Hi Raymond

Thats a pretty impressive design you've made yourself there.

On a technical Templot side of things you've got a really tight turnout number 61 on your attached plan down at 32.8" I'd consider that tight in 4mm. If your using very small locos and stock which you may well be with your time and setting you might be ok. Although I would be tempted to try and make it shallower especially as you've made an effort with the other points that are 70"+ in radii. 

The concept looks great and I love anything set in the midlands whatever the time period.

I see you've also come across the problem I have got on your double switch. The inner K crossing check rails overlap the slip roads, you can alter the lengths of these. There was a discussion in templot talk somewhere on ideas of how to best step round the issue if you like rather than avoid it. If you can't find it I'll have a look for it. I hope that you do build this as I'd be really impressed to see that double slip especially with the curving.

Good luck with the layout.


Dave

posted: 8 Nov 2008 01:46

from:

Jim Guthrie
 
United Kingdom

click the date to link to this post
click member name to view archived images
view images in gallery view images as slides
Raymond wrote:
I have attached the box file for a project I am working for myself.  Being, despite all the years modelling, the first layout of my own I'd appreciate the input of the more experienced among this experienced group.  7mm scale, 31.2mm gauge.

It is to be largely a freight, parcels and bulk mail, hence the rudimenatry platform, though the odd push-pull and or steam railmotor will come and go on occasion.  Set in Birmingham in 1900 and serving a number of factories in a cramped position, hemmed in by tall buildings.  Most freight sidings disappear into buildings so that incoming wagons can be swapped for full or empty as required.  Some are for vans and will have canopy's.  I have tried to show these using track centrelines.  Is it operationally viable?

All comments will be very much appreciated.

Regards

Raymond
Raymond,

I was going to respond at the weekend when I got home and was able to use my broadband connection.  At the moment I'm on a very ropey dial-up connection.  But Martin's message spurred me into earlier action:)

Like Dave,  I was a bit worried about the turnout at the right hand end of the layout which kicks back into a siding.  I can probably see why you have done what you have done - i.e. by curving the headshunt into the corner you get the length to get a small loco and one or maybe two wagons in the head shunt.   But I might be tempted to run the head shunt almost parallel to the 'main' line and run it into the tunnel (or whatever) into your hidden siding area which allows you to use much larger radii on the plain track and the turnout.  It might mean losing a small bit of trackage in your hidden sidings.

Are you going to make the wagon turntables functional? :)

Jim.

posted: 8 Nov 2008 02:26

from:

Nigel Brown
 
 

click the date to link to this post
click member name to view archived images
view images in gallery view images as slides
Hi Raymond

Just a thought. Do you need the double slip? It could be replaced by a simple crossover, so that the headshunt is still able to access all the loop roads but leaving the main line only able to access the two top loop roads. Reasoning is:-
a) in practice I think it unlikely that trains would run directly into the service road serving the sidings, so the main line doesn't have to directly access the service line.
(b) simplifying things here may give you more flexibility in laying out curves

cheers
Nigel

P.S can't think why operationally it wouldn't work. As a matter of interest, what sort of couplings would you use? Prototypical 3-link might be a bit of a pain.
Last edited on 8 Nov 2008 03:18 by Nigel Brown
posted: 8 Nov 2008 14:57

from:

Raymond
 
Bexhill-on-sea - United Kingdom

click the date to link to this post
click member name to view archived images
view images in gallery view images as slides
Dear All,

Many thanks for your kind and most helpfull comments, I shall spend some time re-thinking it and see what I can do to improve the layout.

To answer a few questions. Yes, the turntables are intended to be operational, probably manually, so that wagons can disappear and be 'emptied' or 'loaded'. For this, there will be twice as many wagons as needed, one loaded and one empty (That's why I have eighty WEP opens of 1, 2, 3 & 4 plank varities so far).

I will be using three links and intend the layout to be operational from both front and back to aid in this, using DCC (ZTC controller) and sound.

Though a 2800 is planned, it will do little shunting, that being the preserve of several 517's and saddle tanks.

I had also thought that maybe the double slip was not really necessary, but I do like them! Nevertheless, I shall reassess.

Next version will have the diamond properly drawn in too.

Thanks again

Raymond

posted: 8 Nov 2008 15:14

from:

Martin Wynne
 
West Of The Severn - United Kingdom

click the date to link to this post
click member name to view archived images
view images in gallery view images as slides
Raymond wrote:
I had also thought that maybe the double slip was not really necessary, but I do like them! Nevertheless, I shall reassess.

Hi Raymond,

It isn't strictly a double-slip because one of the slip roads is forming the main running line. That road should therefore form a smooth curve running through, with the switch deflections going to the diagonal roads -- i.e. the handing of the two slip switches needs to be reversed.

I'm not too sure what such a formation is called, but it would be an interesting bit of Templotry, and a shame to abolish it! :)

regards,

Martin.

posted: 8 Nov 2008 17:37

from:

Raymond
 
Bexhill-on-sea - United Kingdom

click the date to link to this post
click member name to view archived images
view images in gallery view images as slides
Well now, there is a challenge! I shall look very hard at that and try to keep it in.

Thanks

Raymond

posted: 19 Jan 2009 16:14

from:

Raymond
 
Bexhill-on-sea - United Kingdom

click the date to link to this post
click member name to view archived images
view images in gallery view images as slides
More work has been done on this plan to try to achieve a more elegant flow and provide for plenty of shunting scope.  There are eleven different destinations for wagons or vans.  The vans will go to roofed over docks but the wagons will all disappear inside buildings so that they can be loaded/unloaded.  In reality, a loaded one is swapped for an unloaded and vice versa.

There is planned to be some passenger work, but not a lot, and one of the docks will be set up to take a Royal Mail stowage van for delivery of bagged mail from the local sorting office.

Plan attached and comments will be appreciated.  This one has the head shunt ending just before the fiddle yard.  There is another version that cheats has it linking into the yard.  Operationally, this one will be more challenging.

Regards

Raymond
Attachment: attach_464_613_New_shunting_layout_4k.box 444
Last edited on 19 Jan 2009 16:20 by Raymond
posted: 19 Jan 2009 17:15

from:

Paul Boyd
 
Loughborough - United Kingdom

click the date to link to this post
click member name to view archived images
view images in gallery view images as slides
Raymond - go ahead with your double-slip, regardless of what others may say :thumb:  You should see (and will shortly) what I'm just finishing on what's supposed to be a light railway! Plain turnouts everywhere may be prototypical, but there has to be some track interest :)

What I do like is your use of track centre lines to mark out buildings etc.  That, and Martin's use of modified timbers to represent buildings, is an idea I'll be nicking!

Cheers

posted: 20 Apr 2009 11:17

from:

Martin Wynne
 
West Of The Severn - United Kingdom

click the date to link to this post
click member name to view archived images
view images in gallery view images as slides
Raymond wrote:
Yes, the turntables are intended to be operational, probably manually, so that wagons can disappear and be 'emptied' or 'loaded'.
Hi Raymond,

For your wagon turntables:



That's either a large man or a small wagon. For your layout you would do better with a horse. :)

Construction details at: http://belfieldhall.co.uk/belfield/ngr/walkingman_01.html

Martin.

posted: 20 Apr 2009 14:06

from:

Raymond
 
Bexhill-on-sea - United Kingdom

click the date to link to this post
click member name to view archived images
view images in gallery view images as slides
Martin Wynne wrote:
Raymond wrote:
Yes, the turntables are intended to be operational, probably manually, so that wagons can disappear and be 'emptied' or 'loaded'.
Hi Raymond,

For your wagon turntables:



That's either a large man or a small wagon. For your layout you would do better with a horse. :)

Construction details at: http://belfieldhall.co.uk/belfield/ngr/walkingman_01.html

Martin.
Nice idea Martin and, if it were possible to produce a reasonable horse that moved, I'd do it.  However, at my yard the wagons are all moved by hydraulic capstans and ropes, just as they were in Curzon Street goods when I worked there.  The kit had been installed before 1900.

Regards

Raymond

posted: 20 Apr 2009 16:42

from:

Nigel Brown
 
 

click the date to link to this post
click member name to view archived images
view images in gallery view images as slides
One thought. I notice you're using interlaced timbers on the turnouts. Not sure what would be used for the period you have in mind, but I'd have guessed that the GWR wouldn't be using interlaced timbers. Was it intentional?

cheers
Nigel

posted: 20 Apr 2009 19:58

from:

Raymond
 
Bexhill-on-sea - United Kingdom

click the date to link to this post
click member name to view archived images
view images in gallery view images as slides
Nigel Brown wrote:
One thought. I notice you're using interlaced timbers on the turnouts. Not sure what would be used for the period you have in mind, but I'd have guessed that the GWR wouldn't be using interlaced timbers. Was it intentional?

cheers
Nigel
There seems to be some confusion here.  My own layout will have no interlaced timbering since the GWR did not use it, but the one I have drawn for Paul is MR based and so it is appropriate for his period.  Similarly with several NER or LNER layout I have drawn for people.

It was a real challenge at first to produce interlaced sleepers since it was not something I had had any experience with.

Regards

Raymond



Templot Club > Forums > Share and show > Raymond's shunting layout
about Templot Club

Templot Companion - User Guide - A-Z Index Templot Explained for beginners Please click: important information for new members and first-time visitors.
indexing link for search engines

back to top of page


Please read this important note about copyright: Unless stated otherwise, all the files submitted to this web site are copyright and the property of the respective contributor. You are welcome to use them for your own personal non-commercial purposes, and in your messages on this web site. If you want to publish any of this material elsewhere or use it commercially, you must first obtain the owner's permission to do so.
The small print: All material submitted to this web site is the responsibility of the respective contributor. By submitting material to this web site you acknowledge that you accept full responsibility for the material submitted. The owner of this web site is not responsible for any content displayed here other than his own contributions. The owner of this web site may edit, modify or remove any content at any time without giving notice or reason. Problems with this web site? Contact webmaster@templot.com.   This web site uses cookies: click for information.  
© 2020  

Powered by UltraBB - © 2009 Data 1 Systems