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topic: 740Bawtry ECML Inter-war
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posted: 22 Feb 2009 16:11

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Andrew Fendick
 
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A few years ago I became interested in modelling again, after a break of 20 years or more (work, family, you know how it goes, there never seams to be time for the really important things). I was looking round for a suitable source of inspiration when I came a across a book my father had purchased several years previously, Return to Bawtry by Jack Smith (The Waterdale Press, 1992, ISBN 0 906976 33 2). Jack Smith spent 13 years at Bawtry, where his father was Station Master from 1930.
I had lived at Bawtry during the 1980's but until I read this book I hadn't thought of using it as the prototype, the station at the time I lived there having been closed for many years. The book showed a busy little station with local passenger workings to Doncaster and Grantham, a goods yard, coal train loops and storage sidings, and main line express trains thundering past. There was even a branch line though in the 1930's this had been reduced to one goods train a week. The book included a hand drawn map of the track layout - with a scale! It was a much larger place then than it was when I lived there and the goods yard had become an industrial estate.
So, over the last year or so I have been working on a Templot plan of the area using the map as a background image. The most difficult parts have been the crossovers as the main line is on a curve, so to get the crossing lines to match the plan there are different entry and exit angles, which I think will cause a kink in the line which shouldn't be there.
This isn't finished by any means, I've only done a little timber shoving and I'm not sure if that is correct as I don't have a good photo or plan of GNR/LNER practice for this area. The photos I do have of Bawtry don't show enough detail of the tracks. So I would be grateful if anyone has any such details or could point me towards them.
I would also be grateful of any comments and criticism, particularly pointing out where I've made mistakes so I can correct them.
I don't have the space to build anything this large but it will form the basis of my eventual layout.
The box file and background image are in the attached zip file.


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posted: 22 Feb 2009 17:25

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Martin Wynne
 
West Of The Severn - United Kingdom

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Andrew Fendick wrote:
I've only done a little timber shoving and I'm not sure if that is correct as I don't have a good photo or plan of GNR/LNER practice for this area.
Hi Andrew,

Do you have the NERA reprint of the LNER 1926 track standards book? It includes several drawings showing timbering layout for crossovers, etc. NERA is at:

  http://www.ner.org.uk

The publications list is at:

  http://www.staff.ncl.ac.uk/m.h.ellison/nera/saleslst.htm

Scroll down to Diagram Books -- Standard Railway Equipment, Permanent Way, 1926.

They also have the NER 1912 track standards book.

For the GNR (likely tracks in the Bawtry goods yard) I have some M&GN track drawings, which are thought to be based on GNR practice. I will look them out and scan them.

Writing this on slow dial-up on an old computer at present, so I can't attach anything just now.

regards,

Martin.

posted: 22 Feb 2009 17:57

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Andrew Fendick
 
Andover - United Kingdom

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Hi Martin,
Thanks very much for the link, I shall get the Permanent Way book ordered.

posted: 23 Feb 2009 08:44

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Jim Guthrie
 
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Andrew Fendick wrote: 
The most difficult parts have been the crossovers as the main line is on a curve, so to get the crossing lines to match the plan there are different entry and exit angles, which I think will cause a kink in the line which shouldn't be there.
Andrew

I notice a crossover with a radius of 10" - close to the slips in the middle of the plan. :)

Otherwise it looks a very good representation of the original.   Should there be wagon turntables on the section of track at right angles to everything else in the yard area?

Jim.

posted: 23 Feb 2009 09:31

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----- from Peter Chappell -----

Andrew

I am always interested in anybody doing anything on the southern end io the ECML so good luck with your project.

I would suggest a visit to the British Museum in London to look at generations of historical OS maps. These need to be requested in advance so you need to do so open enquiries in advance of any visit of the various issues of OS that are available but the Museum are very helpful. If this is domestically difficult let me know as I don't know where you live but will see if I can help.

Regards

Peter Chappell

posted: 23 Feb 2009 20:15

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Andrew Fendick
 
Andover - United Kingdom

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Jim Guthrie wrote:
Andrew Fendick wrote: 
The most difficult parts have been the crossovers as the main line is on a curve, so to get the crossing lines to match the plan there are different entry and exit angles, which I think will cause a kink in the line which shouldn't be there.
Andrew

I notice a crossover with a radius of 10" - close to the slips in the middle of the plan. :)

Otherwise it looks a very good representation of the original.   Should there be wagon turntables on the section of track at right angles to everything else in the yard area?

Jim.


Jim,

Thanks for spotting the crossover well under minimum radius. I'll find that and try to correct it.

Yes, there are a couple of wagon tunrtables in the goods yard. In the early 1930's shunting was done by a man (Cecil Bell) and a Shire horse. Later, as traffic increased, the horse was withdrawn and Mr. Bell transfered to another yard. His position was taken over by Jack Wing and a shunting engine (usually a J3) was sent each day from Doncaster.

posted: 23 Feb 2009 21:20

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Andrew Fendick
 
Andover - United Kingdom

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Templot User wrote:
----- from Peter Chappell -----

Andrew

I am always interested in anybody doing anything on the southern end io the ECML so good luck with your project.

I would suggest a visit to the British Museum in London to look at generations of historical OS maps. These need to be requested in advance so you need to do so open enquiries in advance of any visit of the various issues of OS that are available but the Museum are very helpful. If this is domestically difficult let me know as I don't know where you live but will see if I can help.

Regards

Peter Chappell


Hi Peter,

Thanks for your offer of help. I'm in Andover now so it's not too difficult to get up to London.

I have managed to buy a 1:2500 scale map of the station area dated 1929 (in PDF format), which shows the track for about 1/2 mile either side of the station, and the alignment appears to match the hand drawn plan pretty closely. The 2 together will probably give me enough information to create my model.



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