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posted: 4 Mar 2009 23:20 from: Scott Willis click the date to link to this post click member name to view archived images |
Hi Guys You may remember my previous posting regarding a layout designed to fit in my railway room. Like most modellers, available space in which to build a layout is limited. For me it is a small box room measuring 10'x9'. The design is based on a small North British Railway urban terminus, in S-Scale. To give maximum running in a small room, the station area is spread around the room in a 'u' shape with the fiddle yard situated outside in the hallway. Of course, the fiddle yard will only be erected for running sessions. The inner two lines are the 'up' and 'down' lines,the third outer most line entering the fiddle yard leads to an imaginery off scene goods yard and loco shed. The outer most line leads to an imaginery off scene harbour. There have been some slight changes made to the original design, timbers have been shoved and check rails adjusted. Working from what few pictures I have, and with a bit of artistic licence, I have tried to create N.B. interlaced sleepers. I would be grateful for any comments - good or bad. Regards Scott |
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posted: 21 Feb 2010 10:02 from: Martin Wynne
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Scott Willis wrote: Hi GuysBump. 113 downloads but no replies for Scott? |
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posted: 21 Feb 2010 10:53 from: wcampbell23
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Hi Scott Since your original post was almost a year ago, this observation may have been overtaken by events. The main concern I would have about the layout design is that the track comes very close to the limits of the space you have available and this may create problems with setting the railway in a credible scenic context. Regards |
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posted: 21 Feb 2010 14:04 from: Nigel Brown click the date to link to this post click member name to view archived images |
Hi Scott Putting S scale in a 10' x 9' room is obviously going to be a challenge; I suspect the lack of comments may be due to the cramped city terminus theme being a good one under the circumstances and your plan looks like a good stab at one. Re space, I'd echo the previous comment; have you left enough room at top and bottom of the plan to have a scenic background, even if it's only retaining walls? The clearance looks tight. Also the width of the plan seems to be about 11', so some of it's going to need to stick out into the hall. If you wanted a bit more scenery, there's just about room to stick a small goods yard in the top right hand corner, Leith like, but maybe you'd prefer a minimal scenic approach and stick to mostly just track. You could obviously simplify the track a bit, but probably this is what you want. You could angle the terminus into the room a bit, which could give room for a parcels bay by the far platform, but again, do you want it? cheers Nigel |
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posted: 21 Feb 2010 14:34 from: Jim Guthrie
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wcampbell23 wrote: The main concern I would have about the layout design is that the track comes very close to the limits of the space you have available and this may create problems with setting the railway in a credible scenic context. In S scale, Scott's box room is about the minimum layout size you can go to if you are going to keep the minimum radii useable for a decent range of locos and rolling stock - i.e. not just short wheelbase tanks and short four wheeled rolling stock. So the choice is probably a working layout first and scenery second. And if you intend to exhibit the layout then the scenery tends to be on the inside of the layout. I'm now carrying out a similar exercise to Scott in the same S scale and I've got a room that's almost a foot larger on length and width, but I'm going for a continuous layout with a through station so I have to accommodate acceptable radii at both ends of the layout whereas Scott's terminus layout only requires the acceptable radii at one end. There's a lot of fiddling and quarts into pint pots going on.  I hope to exhibit the layout sometime, so my main scenery will be on the "inside"Jim. |
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posted: 21 Feb 2010 22:12 from: Jim Guthrie
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Jim Guthrie wrote: I'm now carrying out a similar exercise to Scott in the same S scale and I've got a room that's almost a foot larger on length and width, but I'm going for a continuous layout with a through station so I have to accommodate acceptable radii at both ends of the layout whereas Scott's terminus layout only requires the acceptable radii at one end. There's a lot of fiddling and quarts into pint pots going on.Following up on my own post, I've attached a box file of the first attempt at the layout which is made to fit fairly tightly in a room which is 3200mm x 2950mm. The top of the plan is the through station which is a fairly typical Caledonian urban island design with a small yard above it. The hidden sidings are at the bottom. It still needs a bit of work with a lot of timber shoving to change the timbering into the interlaced variety. The minimum radius is 3' 8" which is definitely on the tight side for S scale but maximum gauge widening will be used to ease matters. Jim. |
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posted: 22 Feb 2010 08:48 from: wcampbell23
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Hi Jim Have you considered using a traverser instead of the loops at the bottom? This would have two advantages: you would get longer storage roads as the turnouts would not be needed and also you could probably get 3 rather than 2 each way. Regards Bill Campbell. |
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posted: 22 Feb 2010 12:32 from: Jim Guthrie
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wcampbell23 wrote: Hi JimBill, I'll include a screenshot to make life a bit easier with the discussions.[img]"> [EDIT] I'll try again later when I can get my browser to work with this forum - my screen shot and a lot of text haven't got as far as here.  Jim. |
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posted: 22 Feb 2010 13:34 from: Martin Wynne
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Jim's screenshot is at: http://85a.co.uk/forum/view_gallery_single.php?display=ALL&page=302 Click it and the link to see the full size version. Thanks Jim. Martin. |
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posted: 22 Feb 2010 15:02 from: Scott Willis click the date to link to this post click member name to view archived images |
That looks promising Jim, my original thoughts were to try and shoe horn in a roundy-roundy in the space I have available but things were a little tight. With reference to my original design. Since finishing the layout design I have had almost a year to think about it's suitability and decided to make a few changes. I have drawn some preliminary ideas on paper with the design being not too disimilar. The new track design will be a little simpler which I have based loosely on North Leith. I know North Leith was a Caledonian station, with a little modellers licence the layout will be set a little further down the coast at Seafield. Being S-Scale things are a little tight but being an urban branchline there will be nothing larger than an 0-6-0 running over it. As originally stated the layout is designed to sit around the walls of my modelling room and will serve as a layout/test track. The emphasis will be mainly on operation rather than scenic. If I decide at a later date to exhibit the layout then the plan would be to extend the sides sufficiently to enable some sort of backscene to be modelled. There are a few things on my workbench that I want to clear before producing the templot drawing but I'll keep you posted. Regards Scott |
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posted: 22 Feb 2010 15:06 from: Jim Guthrie
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Martin Wynne wrote: Jim's screenshot is at:Thanks to Martin's intervention, the picture is at least only a link away. My version of Firefox seems to be pretty screwed up when trying to do anything more than text in this forum. I might use Explorer next time to see if it is any better.But to continue my discussion, a traverser would be quite difficult to fit across the hidden loops due to having to make the join somewhere in the curved parts of the loops to get traverser roads long enough, and therefore having to get all the tracks with the same angle at the joins. I suspect this would be almost impossible in this situation since I was having a big enough fight to keep the radii at or above 42" as it was. Trying to make all the angles the same would require a fair bit more elbow room that I don't have. For exhibition work where more space might be available, I have had an idea of making spurs off the centre two loops straight across the bottom of the plan to a traverser or sector plate to one side or the other (or even both sides) with plenty of diamond crossings across the curves - shades of Newcastle Central .Jim. |
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posted: 23 Feb 2010 09:22 from: Jim Guthrie
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Scott,That looks promising Jim, my original thoughts were to try and shoe horn in a roundy-roundy in the space I have available but things were a little tight. I am wanting to model a suburban Glasgow Caledonian station and you are stuck with a through station since the terminii in Glasgow are a bit big. Other "terminii" were through stations with terminal bay platforms but I didn't have the space to squeeze even one bay in. So a typical island station with a small goods yard was settled on. The crossover and goods loop line do allow a train to be reversed at the station so that some terminal style operations could be carried out. I might have to do a bit of research to see if the Caledonian actually did something like this.Being S-Scale things are a little tight but being an urban branchline there will be nothing larger than an 0-6-0 running over it. As originally stated the layout is designed to sit around the walls of my modelling room and will serve as a layout/test track. The emphasis will be mainly on operation rather than scenic. If I decide at a later date to exhibit the layout then the plan would be to extend the sides sufficiently to enable some sort of backscene to be modelled.I'm pushing things with radii going down to 42"- 43" in some places but I take heart that Jas Millham goes down to that size on Yaxbury and gets excellent running. Like you, locos and stock will be selected for their suitability for small radii, which is what the Caledonian itself actually did for some of its city lines - the Cathcart Circle in Glasgow and the Balerno branch in Edinburgh had extremely tight curves and had locos and passenger stock specifically designed for them and the LMS also designed shorter length bogie coaches for the Cathcart Circle. I just got my hands on a stock of the new S scale rail and chairs from a few days ago so I can probably make a start on the actual track quite soon. It will probably take a bit longer to set up the bedroom to take the layout since I would still like to use it as a bedroom and I will have to arrange that the baseboards can be taken down easily to return the room to its intended purpose on occasions. Jim. |
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