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topic: 996Southern Railway - Westerham Valley
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posted: 22 Dec 2009 15:06

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Trevor Grout
 
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I have been toiling away with this paln for some time now, and I am having some slight problems! Can anyone help me please?
1, Plain Track. when I extend the length of plain track, i keep getting an extra sleeper under the rail joint, I can get rid of it by timber shoving, but would like for this not to happen.

2. The back siding. This is causing me some issues, namely with alignment to the plan, now the plan is a really poor copy from an a4 sheet of paper scanned in, I do have 40ft plans but again these were only copies of copies, so I cannot vouch for the accuracy of them in the firstplace.

3. Timber Shoving. I am really struggeling to get this right, I have attempted this so many times over the past weeks, I just cannot seem to get it right.

4. Printing. The age old problem, I can get it to print to PDF using cutePDF, adobe acrobat V9 reads the file ok, But I really would prefer to get it printed once it is all fixed as a single roll and not multiple sheets, can anyone assist with this, I am of course prepared to pay a resonable price!

Hopefully attatched is the BOX files for assesment, critisim, slagging off cos I got it totally wrong.  
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posted: 22 Dec 2009 15:09

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Trevor Grout
 
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and the brackground shape file.
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posted: 22 Dec 2009 15:47

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Andy B
 
 

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Hopefully I can help on 2 points:

1) Use 'roll rails', not shoving (sorry, cant remember where it is in the menus as I don't have Templot here). It took me a while to find it, after having the same problem.

4) Martin usually offers to produce pdf's for roll-sheets. If you look in various other posts, you'll see it is a much awaited future addition that has not made it into a release yet - no doubt he'll be along soon.....

Andy

posted: 22 Dec 2009 16:01

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Trevor Grout
 
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Andy B wrote:
Hopefully I can help on 2 points:

1) Use 'roll rails', not shoving (sorry, cant remember where it is in the menus as I don't have Templot here). It took me a while to find it, after having the same problem.

4) Martin usually offers to produce pdf's for roll-sheets. If you look in various other posts, you'll see it is a much awaited future addition that has not made it into a release yet - no doubt he'll be along soon.....

Andy


Ah yes roll rails, will try that in just a mo when the kettle has finished boiling, cos I really fancy a cupa, have spent far to long playing with templot today and totally forgot the time, Doh, this seems to happen with anoying regularity.

Thanks for this hint though.

 

regards

trevor

posted: 22 Dec 2009 16:09

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Raymond
 
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As Andy says, use the roll function Control F4 and be aware that if it is not moving the sleeper at the end of the length, then you must 'swap end for end' in the Template menu, then it will move a sleeper over the one on the next length.  Once you have it lined up properly, one on top of the other, you can use timber shoving to omit one of them.  Before you can make good use of it though you need to shorten the lengths using F4 so that that the ends join and not overlap.

The curve to end dock does not look too prototypical, have you thought of using a transsision here instead?

The back siding look OK to me and if your plan is non to clear, does it really matter?  However, you have an A8 there.  Try a B8 and then put the, using Geometry, put the peg on TVJP and then Do, 'blank up to peg'.  It will a better line and probaly sort out the alignment of the road for you.

Timber shoving is one of those things you just have to keep plugging away with and one day it 'clicks'.  A damn useful tool but I'd never use it until I have the track plan right anyway.

If all else fails, I have an A3 colour printer, makes far less pages to deal with.

Hope that helps a bit.

Regards

Raymond

posted: 22 Dec 2009 16:52

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Trevor Grout
 
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Raymond wrote:
As Andy says, use the roll function Control F4 and be aware that if it is not moving the sleeper at the end of the length, then you must 'swap end for end' in the Template menu, then it will move a sleeper over the one on the next length.  Once you have it lined up properly, one on top of the other, you can use timber shoving to omit one of them.  Before you can make good use of it though you need to shorten the lengths using F4 so that that the ends join and not overlap.

The curve to end dock does not look too prototypical, have you thought of using a transsision here instead?

The back siding look OK to me and if your plan is non to clear, does it really matter?  However, you have an A8 there.  Try a B8 and then put the, using Geometry, put the peg on TVJP and then Do, 'blank up to peg'.  It will a better line and probaly sort out the alignment of the road for you.

Timber shoving is one of those things you just have to keep plugging away with and one day it 'clicks'.  A damn useful tool but I'd never use it until I have the track plan right anyway.

If all else fails, I have an A3 colour printer, makes far less pages to deal with.

Hope that helps a bit.

Regards

Raymond

Thanks for the pointers Raymond.

Regards

Trevor


posted: 22 Dec 2009 21:51

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Martin Wynne
 
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Trevor Grout wrote:
1, Plain Track. when I extend the length of plain track, i keep getting an extra sleeper under the rail joint, I can get rid of it by timber shoving, but would like for this not to happen.
Hi Trevor,

The reason for the problem is that your custom plain track settings for "SECR 45ft/18 sleepers" contain an error.

You have included the final 12" from the last sleeper to the rail end as a sleeper spacing. You should enter zero to terminate the list after reaching the final sleeper. Templot already knows the rail length and can work out the space between the final sleeper and the end of the rail.

If you change the final 12" in the spacings list to 0, all will be well. You will need to select this new custom setting for all the plain track templates.

4. Printing. The age old problem, I can get it to print to PDF using cutePDF, adobe acrobat V9 reads the file ok, But I really would prefer to get it printed once it is all fixed as a single roll and not multiple sheets, can anyone assist with this, I am of course prepared to pay a resonable price!

Just post the final .box file when you are ready and I will do it for you onto a single large PDF for roll-format printing. It's no great trouble, just a few clicks -- no charge! :)

To see the typical result:

 topic 930 - message 5397

regards,

Martin.

posted: 23 Dec 2009 09:41

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Trevor Grout
 
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Martin Wynne wrote:
Trevor Grout wrote:
1, Plain Track. when I extend the length of plain track, i keep getting an extra sleeper under the rail joint, I can get rid of it by timber shoving, but would like for this not to happen.
Hi Trevor,

The reason for the problem is that your custom plain track settings for "SECR 45ft/18 sleepers" contain an error.

You have included the final 12" from the last sleeper to the rail end as a sleeper spacing. You should enter zero to terminate the list after reaching the final sleeper. Templot already knows the rail length and can work out the space between the final sleeper and the end of the rail.

If you change the final 12" in the spacings list to 0, all will be well. You will need to select this new custom setting for all the plain track templates.

4. Printing. The age old problem, I can get it to print to PDF using cutePDF, adobe acrobat V9 reads the file ok, But I really would prefer to get it printed once it is all fixed as a single roll and not multiple sheets, can anyone assist with this, I am of course prepared to pay a resonable price!

Just post the final .box file when you are ready and I will do it for you onto a single large PDF for roll-format printing. It's no great trouble, just a few clicks -- no charge! :)

To see the typical result:

 topic 930 - message 5397

regards,

Martin.

Thanks Martin,

 

I will attend to the error that you have pointed out.
Do I need to redo the plain trackwork, or will it auto correct according to the revised settings?

I certainly will be taking you up on your offer to do the pdf format for me, where do you get those prints done that you occasionally have on the wall at scaleforum?

Regards
Trevor


 

posted: 23 Dec 2009 16:51

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Trevor Grout
 
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Well I have had a very productive afternoon after the battleground that was adsa this morning, the wife and no1 daughter out shopping for those last minute pressies, for me I hope!
I have reworked my plan folowing the suggestions that you have made.
I have got a headache but I am pleased so far with the result.
Now for some shoving of timbers.

After crimbo i think.

posted: 9 Jan 2010 14:59

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Trevor Grout
 
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Well, with the fact that it has been snowing a bit, I have been been busy beavering away, hopefully !finalising my plan for Westerham, I think I have corrected all the issues to date.

I attached the BOX file for anyone who wishes to have a look and I am of course looking forward to comments positive or otherwise.

 

Also below is a pair of screen shots or the plan.

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Regards

Trevor
Attachment: attach_719_996_SR_WESTERHAM_FINAL.box 320



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