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... and gets the rivets exactly under the middle of the rail, which makes it a lot easier to fit the cosmetic chairs later. The timbers can then be peeled off for punching or jig drilling, or using a mini-drill they could be drilled directly through the tracing paper. You then print a normal template for construction, of course, and having fixed the riveted timbers in place on it, the tracing paper version (or a fresh one) can be laid over the rivets to check for any riveting or timber alignment errors before adding the rails. Templot lets you set the printed line thicknesses to suit your printer. For precision marking like this it's probably best to set thinner lines than usual, as in the above print. That's at output> line thickness> menu options. Notice also that when you print the rails as centre-lines, Templot makes the timber centre-lines solid instead of the usual dashed centre-lines. n.b. for the greatest accuracy, do a separate printer calibration for the tracing paper. regards, ...
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... . Phil posted: 19 Feb 2020 17:23 from: Tony W ikcdab wrote: I am confused. If i have a piece of curved track and attach another piece with the "shift and join" function, does that give me a proper transition or not? Or is it best practice to always make a transition link when joining templates? when the templates are on similar curves then i cannot make a transition anyway, so whats best in these cases? The "shift and join" function will always produces perfectly aligned joins between track sections regardless of their radius, no transition curve involved. The radius changes instantly at the joint. Transition curves between track sections of differing radii are optional and in sidings unlikely to be used. They would be found in running lines and Phil O has already commented on how to produce them. Regards Tony. posted: 1 Apr 2020 12:25 from: Stephen Freeman shift and join is always best but what's the preferred method where it is not possible. I am thinking of situations where you are ...
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... year. I thought it looked a much better design than we used to have in Britain and wonder why it wasn't the way we did things here. Hi Julian, Some pre-grouping track used very close joint sleepers. The problem then with chaired bullhead track is that if you place the chairs so close to the joint, there isn't room between them for a 4-bolt fishplate, and shorter 2-bolt fishplates must be used. Experience was that 4-bolt fishplates are so much better at keeping the rails aligned and level that the joints required less maintenance, even with the joint sleepers further apart. Wider joint chairs are used on the end sleepers, so that the rail is supported as close to the joint as possible. (4mm joint chairs are now available from C&L.) Flat-bottom track is different, in that fishplates can be fitted over some types of rail fixings, rather than needing to be between them as for chaired bullhead. cheers, Martin. posted: 23 Jul 2020 08:11 from ...
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... round loop beyond the station platform. A couple of sidings are to be positioned behind the station which have exited off the run-round loop via a trailing 3-way. As per my sketch. 3181_061647_390000000.jpg You can see from the attached box file that I am trying to create the return curve off the mainline into the loop. I need to also install a trailing 3-way almost directly off the turnout from the mainline. I managed to create the return curve using the S-curve reverse transition function but once aligned with the loop the track join was right where I wanted to install the 3-way. Can anyone offer any guidance as to how I can achieve my aim? Thanks, Scott Attachment: attach_3123_3732_Save_1.box 52 Last edited on 6 Aug 2020 21:53 by ScottW posted: 6 Aug 2020 22:44 from: Martin Wynne Hi Scott, You had an instant reverse curve in the running line, which didn't look good. I moved the turnout template 25mm to the right so that I could create an S-transition ...
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... topic: 3597 Dimensions posted: 18 Jan 2020 11:49 from: Martin Hulse Hi. I'm a newbie so I have a very basic question. What do the 5 dimensions in the info box for a piece of straight track control& what datum do they measure from? I had to set Y=-60mm to get a piece of strsight track to align it's inside rail on the X axis. Martin Hulse See attached Attachment: attach_2977_3597_tmplt1.jpg 301 posted: 18 Jan 2020 13:52 from: Martin Wynne Hi Martin, Welcome to Templot Club. Wow. That dialog is intended for experienced Templot users, and I suspect there are many of those who have never used it, or even seen it. To set a template at a specified position on the grid, use the peg and notch functions. First set the notch to the required position, and then shift the template onto it. I have made you a bit of scruff video showing how to do that (click the video to restart after each pause): http: ...
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... Derek posted: 22 Oct 2020 21:02 from: Julian Roberts Hi Derek I'm wondering whether you're aiming for an unattainable perfection and whether it is the curve of the wing rails that is causing a problem. Here are mine for a 1 in 10 crossing. I bent them around some round nose pliers, that incidentally taper- each is a cone- not that I'm interested in trying to get rail inclination. I think they may be far from ideal but testing with a wagon gives nice sweet running. Surely it's the alignment that matters most for the running, and level? The latter can be crudely fixed after construction with a big file over the whole area. However apologies if I'm actually considerably under-qualified to make this suggestion. Anyway this photo is from my crossing making blog. I will give the link in an edit. http://www.scalefour.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t =7028 3591_221549_460000000.jpg Last edited on 22 Oct 2020 21:07 by Julian Roberts posted: 22 Oct 2020 22:00 from: Ariels Girdle A ...
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... as it was only relatively recently that you brought in the acute crossing three marks. Improving the clarity of the NLS map when making a trackplan, for example, is I'm sure a much more widely useful upgrade. Just to be clear, I'm not asking this because of the look of the thing, but because of actual running. In P4 there is at least in theory an issue of the wheels going the wrong way at a less flat angle than S4 and the prototype, and good running seems to rely on perfect alignment but with a risky short length where the wheelset is unchecked. I hope it won't seem I'm complaining!- Not at all, it is just a point of interest I hope you'll agree! Cheers Julian posted: 9 Dec 2020 18:20 from: Paul Boyd Hi Julian Dave Bradwell is a modeller I respect, but I'm puzzled as to why he thinks a crisp bend would stop the wheels going the wrong way. The check rails do that, and there is no unchecked length! This is really the only ...
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... Last edited on 1 Dec 2020 21:33 by Rob Manchester posted: 1 Dec 2020 21:43 from: Martin Wynne Hi Paul, Yes, I remember the Telex rolls -- in fact I think I still have some, from a genuine old Telex machine. You sent me a sample of the better quality rolls you were using. But Telex was only 8" wide so a bit restrictive. In my case the roll holder was fixed on the wall behind the printer, which meant the printer needed to be aligned perfectly on the table, otherwise the paper would mis-track. Also I still have a box of sprocket-feed Z-fold perforated listing paper. Templot still has the banner printing options, but I wouldn't think many folks still use them. cheers, Martin. posted: 1 Dec 2020 21:53 from: Martin Wynne Rob Manchester wrote: Martin's bandsaw idea has me thinking. I could do something along those lines with the 24" rolls I got for the Designjet printer. Mind you thinking about it ...
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... topic: 3823 maps- feedback wanted posted: 24 Nov 2020 21:31 from: Martin Wynne I mentioned earlier that it is now possible to load the NLS historic 25"/mile maps as tiled maps. Which is great news -- it means maps of any size can be easily captured at maximum zoom without any restriction caused by your screen size, or need to align multiple captures. It will be in the next program update. I have since discovered that the highest zoom level available as original tiles is level 18 for the 25" maps. The higher zoom levels available on the NLS web site are actually implemented by upscaling the image in the browser. This means of course that capturing higher levels than 18 doesn't get you any more detail, the same level of detail is simply being zoomed larger. Most browsers use a resampling image upscaler to provide a smoother result than a simple stretch of each pixel. Such resampling isn't available in Templot when zooming background shapes on the trackpad, because at the high zoom levels we normally need ...
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... are drawn directly over them. Foot lines are never drawn on the screen, it would make the diagrams too cluttered, they appear in the output only (and only for background templates, not the control template). The foot lines are not necessarily prototypically correct -- around the switch planing for example. That's because I don't have enough prototype data, and what I do have would be a minefield to represent on the templates. The main purpose of the foot lines is as a construction guide to make it easier to align FB rail over the template. Good to see a 3-way stub turnout -- not many of those in Templot. cheers, Martin. posted: 21 Nov 2020 14:33 from: Paul Boyd Hi Martin Yes, you have done something strange! Ah, so I have! Much of the rest of the layout is FB rail, so I must have just copied a FB turnout or two without thinking. The sections I wanted in BH were grouped then the rails section data applied to the group- ...
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... splitting into two. Or with one much longer road but each additional road getting progressively shorter? That means laying out the turnouts in a string along the inner or outer road. If the string configuration is laid along the running line, it has an advantage for model control in that to select a road only one turnout needs to be reversed, the rest being reset normal. So a simple rotary switch is sufficient. For a tree configuration a logic matrix of some sort is needed. Next is to lay out the siding alignments with sufficient spacing for running clearance, and for a fiddle yard with additional clearance for handling the rolling stock. 2_080850_260000000.png You have indicated a string design, so I continued with that. Create a branch track on each turnout, convert it to a simple link to the next road. Check the resulting radius. If ok insert the next turnout in it and repeat, otherwise go back and use a longer crossing angle on the previous turnout. You started with a B-8 generic. I kept the generic crossings, ...
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... theory I could write, or find from somewhere, a function to convert locations to counties, but it's no 5-minute task and life is too short to do everything, it will have to wait. If you have ever followed a wiggly county boundary you will understand just what a major task this would be. Just to repeat, the great advantage of the tiled maps is that you can easily create a map of any size, regardless of your screen size. There is no need to make multiple screen shots and align them. And there is no need for a battle of wits with the embedded Windows browser -- which means the tiled maps also work in CrossOver/Wine and in Lazarus for T3. Having loaded sufficient tiles to create your map, you can then use the crop/combine function to convert it to a single picture shape, and use the other functions as necessary to rotate it, wrap it, change the contrast, save the image file, etc. But of course the alternative screenshot functions also remain available. ...
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... Dutch equivalent of the UK OS Maps, the larger the scale the better for getting things right. If you look at my other thread running on here Martin has copied a map from the NLS (National Library of Scotland) to a .bgs file that can then be copied to Templot and set to whatever scale and gauge you want. I've just been tinkering with the above plan over the last day or so and have got the basics laid out, it's a case of a bit of timber shoving and a few re-alignments. I'll post a box file of it on here later to show you the rough copy. Most of it has been done using the "make mirror on peg" function, "adjust to length", "curve" and "size" for turnouts. In my case the original Frank Dyer plan(drawn in about 1978) would not transfer directly to templot as Frank used "train set" geometry for the pointwork and some would end up very short radius points. I think when I built the layout in ...
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... at the top of the first incline at the Bryn Eglwys slate quarry at Abergynolwen, off the end of the Talyllyn Railway. At least, there was the last time I was there. Nigel posted: 14 Aug 2020 22:12 from: Rob Manchester Hi Paul, Thanks for the excellent pics. The Penhryn picture is a hybrid of both types of turnout in that two operations( maybe interlocked/maybe not) are required to switch the directions of the turnout. One to move the stub switch rails and one to align the crossing piece. Thanks to all who posted. My head is much clearer on what I can do now. Rob posted: 14 Aug 2020 22:30 from: Paul Boyd Hi Rob From looking at other photos of the Penrhyn turnouts, both parts were moved simultaneously from the same lever at the same time. Cheers, Paul posted: 15 Aug 2020 00:13 from: Rob Manchester Paul Boyd wrote: Hi Rob From looking at other photos of the Penrhyn turnouts, both parts were moved simultaneously from the ...
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... your work. 3. go back to 1. and adjust it again to make a new piece of work. I have tried over and over again for more than 20 years to explain what seems to me to be these very simple and obvious concepts, but it's clear that I just can't do it. I will have one more go: A "template" consists of 3 separate components: 1. a specification. The track gauge, model scale, radius, angles, dimensions, option settings, the position and alignment. All the template design settings and locations that are entered, changed, and adjusted by the user. The current state of all these settings is collectively called the control template. A record of all these settings is called a stored template. These records are held in the storage box, one for each template. The full collection of these records can be saved to a BOX file. 2. a build. This is a big list of X,Y co-ordinate dimensions indicating the current position of every part ...
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... greedier for Windows resources and do it that way. I'm aware that the control template functionality for track center-lines only, and track with center-lines is provided by items on the geometry menu. These are template design settings included in the data file -- not to be confused with the generator and display options. One way of working with Templot is to create a bare-bones design using these centre-line only templates. A long sweeping S-curve transition perhaps. Then the detailed individual templates can be aligned over it and snaked along it into position. For an example of that, reload the sample file _85a_clungunford.box, copy the "transition centre-line" template (top right) to the control template, and then extend it using F4. If this hasn't covered what you need, please write again. regards, Martin. Parts of Templot Club may not function unless you enable JavaScript (also called Active Scripting) in your browser. Templot Club> Forums> I wish it would...> Control Template Display ...
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... Jim Guthrie wrote: Maybe in the next version of Templot you could include a guaranteed Lottery number generator to pay for building these big layouts, and for the buildings needed to house them. Hi Jim, Roy, If I had a means to predict the lottery numbers, I doubt I would be sitting here writing this. Don't forget it's easy to shrink the length of a map in Templot, and you can go a long way without making it unbuildable. It just requires a rotation first so that the tracks are mostly aligned horizontal (or vertical) to preserve the track gauge and spacings approximately, when shrunk lengthwise. You can also use the wrap functions to curve a long straight map around the walls of a room. Here I shrunk Roy's map lengthwise to fit in 24ft to the road bridge: 2_071444_320000000.png And then planning over it, even after shrinking this double junction it is still using B-7.5 and B-8 turnouts, and a 1:6 diamond-crossing (in 00-SF). All entirely reasonable for a ...
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... are looking for, it might be possible to make more specific suggestions. cheers, Martin. posted: 3 Sep 2020 07:46 from: Hayfield Richard If you could up load a plan of the turnout into Templot either to scale or adjust it in Templot to scale, then as Martin said! overlay a turnout template on to the plan, perhaps starting at the switch end 2 Use the switch button to get the approximate size 2a If curved use curve button 3 Use the roam button to get the common crossings in alignment After this seek help here for help with final adjustments Good luck posted: 3 Sep 2020 20:21 from: Richard Spratt I dare not tell Martin what I'm trying to do. He'll sto me using templot forever! posted: 3 Sep 2020 22:10 from: alan@york Listowel "Monorail"? posted: 4 Sep 2020 01:48 from: Andrew Barrowman alan@york wrote: Listowel "Monorail"? or perhaps the Bennie Railplane? (George, not Jack.) http:// ...
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... when both roads are used equally? Hi Julian, Your turnout will be fine. You are looking for prototype information which doesn't exist. The only way to model that turnout exactly would be to go and measure the position of each timber. On most railways, centralized timbering is the norm with the equalized-incremental timbering style. Ends-in-line is the norm with the square-on timbering style. Templot sets these for you when you change the style. In practice, although plain track sleepers are usually neatly aligned, in turnouts (especially in yards and sidings) the timber ends can sometimes be all over the place. Templot has a randomizing function to create that, real> timbering> timbering data... 2_050721_060000000.png Try setting the end-randomizing to 3 or 4 inches. Then hold down the F12 key to watch the timbers dance. You can change the settings from a subtle variation to full narrow-gauge crazy track. (Changing the timbering style clears the randomizing settings.) Note that if you use this function ...
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... do not tally up with the aerial view from either Google or Bing. The OS map again shows something different. Hi Derek, If you are using the historic maps from the NLS, bear in mind that they have different map projections available. The original "County" series OS maps pre-1936 used a separate projection datum for each county, with the result that sheets from neighbouring counties do not line up at the sheet edges. The scans have been resampled and geo-referenced by the NLS so that they do align seamlessly (mostly) to create a single "slippy" map and can be cross-faded to modern maps and aerial images. The original unmodified scanned sheets are available in the Find by place function on the NLS web site, and are more likely to match your original drawings than the Georeferenced slippy map version. If you look at the geo-referenced maps for a long way west or north of Greenwich, you will notice that the OS grid lines have become slightly curved, and/or run at an angle ...
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