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posted: 12 Sep 2011 19:11 from: mixtemp
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I have had Templot for some time now but only really started using it in the last few days so I really am a novice and have lots to learn. Has anyone any hints on the best way to start a tandem turnout. I'm hampered a little by not being able to open the video tutorials because of a problem with my computer, which has only made itself apparent when I tried to view said tutorials. My thanks to Martin who has been very kind and in the short term he will be uploading a flash video for me to study. Thanks in anticipation Mick S |
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posted: 12 Sep 2011 19:36 from: Dave Summers
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With respect, I would suggest that tandem turnouts come later in the learning process. Start simple and work up to it. If you're learning the piano, you don't start with Chopin! |
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posted: 12 Sep 2011 19:51 from: Rob Manchester
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Hi, I agree fully with Dave. Learn how Templot does the basics first with plain track and simple turnouts before you start with the more complicated things. It can be quite a challenge to get going with Templot if you think along the lines of CAD or other graphics programs but it is well worth it for the versatility it offers. For a product that is well supported through the helpful people on Templot Club it is a real bargain. Imagine how much Microsoft would charge for it ! Rob |
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posted: 12 Sep 2011 19:53 from: Martin Wynne
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Hi Mick, Welcome to Templot Club.  I will get the tandem-turnout video posted here in Flash format later this evening. Has anyone else had problems viewing the executable videos? Until now I have always thought of them as universally playable, but of course there is no accounting for what a Windows Update might do. regards, Martin. |
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posted: 12 Sep 2011 20:21 from: mixtemp
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Gentlemen, Thank you. Comments duly noted. It gives me some idea of the learning curve involved. Mick S |
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posted: 12 Sep 2011 21:21 from: Tony W
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Hi Mixtemp. Give us a clue what gauge scale you are working in and which version of Templot you are using, I presume it is 0.91c. It tells you in the opening window. Tony. |
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posted: 12 Sep 2011 21:41 from: mixtemp
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Tony, It is 0.91c. which I have just upgraded from the version I had when I first bought the original 0.74b.. I'm working in 2mm Fine scale on 9.42mm gauge track and 4mm scale EM 18.2mm track. Mick S |
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posted: 12 Sep 2011 22:16 from: Martin Wynne
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Hi Mick, While I'm working on the video, there are a couple of PDF tutorials for tandems which John Preston very kindly prepared. They can be downloaded from: john_preston_tandem_part1.pdf john_preston_tandem_part2.pdf (4 pages in each part) regards, Martin. |
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posted: 12 Sep 2011 22:19 from: Martin Wynne
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And here are the notes for the video: message 4150 regards, Martin. |
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posted: 12 Sep 2011 22:33 from: mixtemp
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Martin, I've had a quick look at John's pdf s and it will be tomorrow evening now before I can start my ascent....! Once again thank you very much. Mick S |
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posted: 13 Sep 2011 00:08 from: Martin Wynne
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Hi Mick, Here's the tandem video in Flash format. Hopefully this will work on your computer. I'm afraid the controls aren't so handy in this format -- you can drag the slider to find a specific frame, but there are no keyboard controls. You need to be using version 091c* to follow this. It may take a short while to download before you can see anything: A detailed guide to this video is here: message 4150 Please bear in mind that a large chunk of this video has now been made redundant in the Templot Development Version (TDV), which offers a partial gaunt turnout as an easier and better way to create the middle V-crossing. More about how to do that here: message 9841 You would be very welcome to join the development group and try your tandem in the TDV. More about TDV here: topic 1510 *actually 078e or later regards, Martin. |
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posted: 13 Sep 2011 00:40 from: Tony W
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Hi Mick. Your question was how to start a Tandem Turnout. You may wish to print this page as it will be easier to follow. Cut and paste it into word then print it. I find the recommended ways of doing things often overly complicated, sorry Martin. Try this method. Before you can begin you will need to set your gauge scale. Open templot and when it asks you if you wish to load your previous session select no. In the window left click the Workpad button. Left click the drop down Template drop down menu and move the pointer to the gauge and scale line, Another window will open up with a selection, move the pointer to 18.2 EM Left click. You may wish to change the timber lengths from the default 9 foot to 8, 6", to do this Left click the Real drop down menu and go down to Timbering and select 8'6" in the sub menu. Left click. Templot will faithfull copy the data from the your first template to your last with the default settings, so it is important to set them correctly at the start. For the purposes of this exercise Left click the Geometry button and select straight although this method will work just as well with curved track. In the ZOOM/PAD window at the top right of the screen left click the - button and the screen should zoom out one step. Left click the Real drop down menu at the top and go down to Timbering and left click the Square-on (to main road) option. The next trick is to extend the exit track. Left click the Action drop down menu and go down to Mouse actions geometry then choose Adjust overall turnout length F4 ( short cut key of which more anon) Note the mouse action box appears and the pointer changes to a triangular target mark, move this to the left side of the screen and left click the mouse, note that it changes to a double ended arrow. Now see what happens when you move the mouse! Continue moving the mouse to the right until the figure in the Mouse action window gets to about 600mm. Left click again and the pointer will change back to the triangle. The length will not change now when you move the mouse. Left clicking toggles the action on and off. To terminate the action move the mouse pointer over the x button in the Mouse action window which will turn red to show it is active and left click. Now the important bit. Right click the mouse and in this menu select Store and background. Left click.The template turns blue to show that it has been saved in the storage box as a backgound shape. Right click again and select Hide the control template which is ticked. Left click. The control template reappears on top of your backgound shape hiding it. Left click the Template drop down menu and select Swap hand ctrl+H. Left click. If you have managed to follow me so far you are now looking at a Three throw turnout. Select the Template menu again and this time choose V-crossing options. In the window that opens up Left click 1:8 and click the green OK button, bottom right corner. Left click the Action drop down menu and go down to Mouse actions : geometry. In the next window that opens up select Roam turnount along length Crtl+F9. Left click and the familar Mouse action box and Triangular pointer appears. Now move the pointer to the left of the screen and left cick and see what happens when you move the mouse, magic. When you have a combination that works (there are restrictions on the prototype) and it advisable to line up the timbers of the background crossing with the timbers of the control template above them as this will make life easier later, Left click the mouse to stop it moving, Close the mouse action window, then right click and select Store and background as you did before. You will now have two templates stored as background shapes in your storage box. You now begin to see the possibilities that Templot offers. This though barely scratches the surface. To save your work for posterity right click the mouse and select storage box, left click Save all and either use the default title or type in something more meaningful and Left click save. When you start Templot next time you will be able to re load this with all your settings saved. I always generate my Tandem turnouts this way and create the rest of the track plan before filling in the third crossing and sorting out the timbering. You will also need to understand how the peg and Notch functions work, there are plenty of tutorials to show you how to do this. Finally for now, I mentioned the short cut keys earlier. Left click the help drop down menu and you will see several options, the top one is worthwhile reading and further down are to lines that say Show shortcut keys list and Print F key chart. It is suprising just how many templot users seem to be unaware of these. The best investment you can make is in a ring binder and some plastic wallets to to file the printouts in. As Martin points out Templot itself has many help screens built into it and I have printed out many of these as they contain much useful information. Hope you can successfully follow this. Let me know how you get on. Tony. |
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posted: 13 Sep 2011 08:01 from: mixtemp
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Martin, Tony, Thanks, I'll try and study this lot today during lunch while at work and so be prepared for my session tonight...! Will certainly report back before the end of the week and in any event a brief update tonight. Mick |
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posted: 13 Sep 2011 23:24 from: mixtemp
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Gentlemen, I followed Tony's instructions and can say I have made some good progress tonight. I have also managed to rectify the problem with the videos and can now open them so I also intend to do as suggested by Rob and Dave and have good look through the help facilities now that I am able. Thanks again. Mick S |
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