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posted: 22 Oct 2011 16:20 from: leo_sandstrom
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Hi Hope someone can help me explain why my DXF exports look like the attached image. (rails and timbers are distorted) Seems to be some sort of rounding problem. 2094_221118_540000000.png  I checked the help files and searched all over but didnt find anything. Regards /Leo |
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posted: 22 Oct 2011 19:20 from: leo_sandstrom
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I might add that PDF export works fine, but I still got no idea as to why the dxf export looks like this. Regards /Leo |
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posted: 22 Oct 2011 22:34 from: Martin Wynne
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Hi Leo, Which program are you using to display the DXF? I can't reproduce that effect. A good way to test exported DXF files from Templot is to re-import them into Templot as background shapes. main > background shapes > dxf import tab. As a matter of interest, which method did you use to convert the H0 templates to N gauge? Have you made any changes at main > program panel > program > expert > step size... ? For NMRA N scale (1:160) you should be seeing 4.14mm step size. Please can you post the .box file from which this DXF was created. regards, Martin. |
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posted: 23 Oct 2011 00:17 from: leo_sandstrom
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Martin Wynne wrote: Hi Leo,Hi Martin I checked by reimporting the file into Templot and it works just fine, I also cheked the step size and its 4.14mm so that seems ok to. I got a feeling that its the viewer thats messing up, strange thing is that I tried both Autodesks free DWG TrueView 2012 viewer and Solidworks DWG Editor. Autodesks viewer can be found here: (600MB download...) http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/pc/index?siteID=123112&id=9078813 I attached the dxf file as well. But seing as it works when reimporting it Im sure its fine. Ill check some of the programs listed in the DXF and beyond thread. topic 815 As to how I converted the templates to N scale, I cant remember, that was one of the first things I did, so cant have been hard  Regards /Leo |
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posted: 23 Oct 2011 00:39 from: leo_sandstrom
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Hi again Downloaded Doublecad XT Pro and opened the dxf file in there only to find the exact same problem. Its strange that I can reimport it into Templot and it looks fine, but trying to open the DXF export in 4 different programs yields the same result. Ill see if I can get more information. Regards /Leo |
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posted: 23 Oct 2011 00:47 from: leo_sandstrom
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I tried this: Started a new Templot TDV session with standard preferences and press the workpad button. Stored the default template and then exported it. Unfortunately the problem persists: 2094_221947_010000000.png  Since this template is a larger scale its not as visible, but its still there, especially when zooming in closer. |
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posted: 23 Oct 2011 00:49 from: leo_sandstrom
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And here is the corresponding DXF file. Im sure this has a really simple solution, I just cant figure out what Im doing wrong Maybe if someone sent me a dxf so I can try and open it when exported from someone elses Templot? Regards /Leo |
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| Last edited on 23 Oct 2011 00:52 by leo_sandstrom |
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posted: 23 Oct 2011 03:12 from: Martin Wynne
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Hi Leo, The problem is the decimal separator character in the Windows international settings. (Comma for decimal fractions instead of dot.) There is a bug in Templot related to this, but I'm not sure it explains what you are seeing in DoubleCad. Please could you draw a very simple DXF file in DoubleCad on your system and post it here. i.e. just a few straight lines at random. Thanks. The reason it imports into Templot is that Templot ignores all the header stuff on import. 3am here and I'm too tired to write proper English, sorry. Martin. |
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posted: 23 Oct 2011 10:14 from: Alan Turner
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This is my export into DoubleCAD. |
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posted: 23 Oct 2011 10:39 from: leo_sandstrom
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Martin Wynne wrote: Hi Leo,Hi Martin Thanks for the help so far, please dont loose any sleep over this, Im sure it can be solved somehow. I think you misunderstood me when I said the imports work in Templot, what I meant is that I can export and reimport the same dxf file created in Templot with retained accuracy. However, when I try to import a dxf file from either of the other programs the coordinates all end up as 0 in templot. I have not tried saving them in an older format, Ill try that as well and get back to you on the result. Attached are two files, each created in different programs. Regards /Leo |
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posted: 23 Oct 2011 10:41 from: leo_sandstrom
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Couldnt get more then one attachment per post, here is the second file. Regards /Leo |
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posted: 23 Oct 2011 11:23 from: leo_sandstrom
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And here is another version saved as DXF 2000-2003. Tried importing this one into Templot as well and it ends up with 0 on all coordinates like all the others. Hope this helps you solve it, if you need anything else just let me know. Regards /Leo |
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posted: 23 Oct 2011 11:40 from: Martin Wynne
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Hi Leo, Alan, Many thanks for the sample files. The problem is the decimal separator character in the Windows international settings. Leo, you can cure the problems temporarily by changing the international settings on your computer to a country which uses a dot as a separator for decimal fractions, rather than a comma. e.g. USA, UK, etc., or most English-speaking countries. (In the Windows Control Panel > Regional and Language Options ) However, that's probably not something you want to do on a permanent basis. There is a bug in Templot in this regard. Templot uses (or is intended to be using) the local decimal separator (a comma for you) in all input and displays. As shown in one of your screenshots: 2094_221225_200000000.png  (If you should find that this is not the case anywhere, please let me know.) However, Templot is also doing this in DXF files, where the format standard appears to require a dot in all cases (I haven't been able to find this documented anywhere). So Templot's own DXFs work ok when exported and re-imported with commas, but others don't. I will fix this bug in the next TDV update. Thanks for reporting it. And apologies, I should have gone into this properly after this topic earlier this year: message 9167 regards, Martin. |
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posted: 23 Oct 2011 12:36 from: leo_sandstrom
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Thanks Martin I replaced all the commas with dots in an export and now it works! 2094_230731_000000000.png  Funny thing is, I tried doing this last night before going to bed, but when opening the file I saw some dots in the beginning and tired as I was I replaced all dots with commas believing Templot exported with the wrong decimal operator and used a dot instead of a comma... :facepalm Had I been less tired I might have used my brain and realized it should have replaced more instances. Now that I did it the other way around it works like a charm, so for now Ill just use that as a workaround Thanks again! Regards /Leo |
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