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What are you drinking this weekend ?

Hayfield

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Rather than interrupt another thread, we have had a quick chat about our tipples with weekend dining. I am no expert and certainly do not buy anything expensive, getting older I rather go for quality over volume and a bottle lasts a few evenings. Having tried several white wines , but I have stayed with the Beaujolais in their "The Best" range with red wines, I thought as with the white wine I would give Italy a go

Previous weekends saw me go through a few of Morrisons white wines from France and Italy. Well with Chicken this week its back to a bottle of white wine, and have a Falanghina in the cupboard,

Last weekend we had beef so today it was back to Morrisons to replace the Beaujolais villages wine. I decided to have a change of red wines, good job as they had sold out of Beaujolais villages so chose a Valpolicella Ripasso which caught my eye, still in their "The Best" range, but it will have to wait till we have something a bit more suitable to go with it
 
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Hayfield

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Just have, We pay at least £4 tax per bottle Apparently the cost of wine in a £5 is about 30p the rest is tax and associated costs, this shoots up I think to £2 for an £8 bottle. We have a high alcohol tax regime, so a small rise in price increases the quality a lot
 
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For the last 15 years i make my own wines from our own grapes.
In my experience you can buy top shelf wines and they will taste very good.....
And here is the enjoining but:
The lower shelf/cheap wines are the young wines, not matured yet.
Those wines are usually 4 to 6 months of age.
The more expensive the wine gets, the older they are, the older a wine gets the better it is going to taste.
We still have bottles of own harvest wine of 15 years of age in the basement(3 left from the 60)
They get better every year.
What brings me to the following point/experiment:

Buy 3 to 5 cheap wines in glass!! bottles, put them under your floor, house, basement, shed or even dig them into the garden.
The keyword is temperature stability.
So sudden changes in temp are a big nono, keep the temp between 10c and max22c to avoid making vinegar.

When they are one year in your possession, buy the same cheap wine new and get one of your own stock.....
You will be very surprised how the flavor chanced.
But you bought 3 to 5...
Repeat this after a year.....

How to start to choose your wine:
There are 4 main basic wines.
From sour to very sweet.
Since you are not a red wine drinker you dont have no worries about softening up the tannin.
Red wine goes only good with meat, white can be used with all.
With red wines you have a afternoon wine table wine and after dinner wine, all with there own alc % and are climbing up in the taste "punch"

Next option is to choose your "barrel" taste.
The type of wood the wine was getting his maturity in.
Oak pine ect burned inside or even second hand sherry barrels....

You can buy all the expensive wines and still not know what your personal taste is, there is simply to much.
There is not one good wine.
If you open a bottle with a real cork, keep them, store them dry.
In the event if one cork brakes you have spare or in case a bottle has a screw cap.(most cheap ones)
If you open a bottle of wine, let it breath for 6 hours minimum 8 hours max, drink something, enjoy and put the cork back into the bottle to prevent "rusting" of the wine.
Before you place the (dry/old)cork back on the bottle let it sock in fresh water.(or even salt water 5gram per liter max for extra taste, store it for a month).

I hope this small essay will help you in your further endevours and is appreciated.
My two cents, with best regards Igor, enjoy dont drink
 
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This is somewhat thin ice for me, but i suspect if you would use a cork it will last longer.
Close it with a cork so it can consume a bit more oxygen, if you would make it a vacuum i suspect the much needed oxygen will disappear(from the wine itself).
With a cork it will get the change to mature further, it will and can regulate his own intake.
Yes, wine bottles with cork and a long storage are kept at there sides, to prevent the cork drying out.
There will be some wine leaking out over the years, but what must go out must go back in.
This is a major part of the taste maturing process.
I suspect if you have a well moistener cork you can close the fresh opened bottle(6 hours open, that is) after you take your consumption out and close it with the cork, i suspect this will be better.
Again this is thin ice for me and i suspect it will be better and longer lasting.
Further more, the sulfide what is often added (Always to much!!)to red wines will get a chance to evaporate.
Except the real expensive wines will have a minimum to no sulfide in them, only the tannin must be softened up due to berating.
And the tannin is THE taste maker or breaker in curtain red wines, i like tannin to be there, just enough to taste it, but it can not be ruling! over the added taste of the barrel and flavor of the grapes(species and eventually soil!!!dont underestimate this one) themselves, and a very small hard to trace pinch of salt.
To sum it up:
I like my red wine matured in second run smoked oak barrels and the wine must come from a sea area, but very heavy in the grape taste.
But this is my personal taste, i can not decide this for you.

infact red wine tastes better the next day, I assume its been able to breath

Yes you are absolute right about that one.
When wine gets the chance to breath it will improve on taste, that is why i stated a minimum of 6 hours before consuming open the bottle.
The wine needs to "oxidize" and the sulfide needs to get to evaporate, with young ones, the different flavors will get a chance to bond better also.

Wine is just like a good whiskey, but with one major difference, dont let you whiskey breath, and that is a warning if you would like to buy a whiskey over 20-30-50 years of age....
Yes i throw one down the drain...a Macallan 35 years....just had 2 glasses(n):(:sick: waited 4 months....taste was awful..

With best regards and enjoy your drink of choise
 
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AndyB

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Lot's of good advice Igor. Many thanks!

We have a lot of good vineyards in Idaho. Not at this end of the state but further South and at lower altitude. We are at 650 meters ASL here which makes the growing season a bit short. It can freeze overnight here through all of April.

My only venture into wine making was many years ago. Our garden in Renfrew sur Clyde had a prolific elderberry tree so we decided to make elderberry wine. It was disgusting! I gave a couple of bottles to a friend and he put it away in a dark cupboard and forgot about it.

He rediscovered it a few years later and decided to open a bottle. What a transformation! It was actually quite good.
 
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Andrew Duncan

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Reigate
Hi John,

I'm about to accompany my boiled egg with a mug of Batchelors Asparagus Cup-a-Soup. :)

Martin.
Martin
Here we are, getting all serious about wine and you bring us down to earth with a thump... but struggling to get the high ground back, were you drinking your wine/soup out of the correct Riedel glass/mug?
Andrew
 
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Martin Wynne

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were you drinking your wine/soup out of the correct Riedel glass/mug?

I've posted a picture of the Templot mug before now -- were you not paying attention? :)

guildex_mug.jpg


GAUGE O GUILD - GUILDEX 1994 (at which I was an exhibitor).

27 years -- which is about how long that boat kit is going to take. :)

Martin.
 
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Andrew Duncan

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Reigate
Well obviously not!

I rather like the look of the boat kit though, there is something quite beguiling about it, the sort of thing that could easily distract a railway modeler from railways! How far have you got with it, but it occurs to me, why have a boat kit at a railway exhibition.... why not I suppose, railway modeling is a broad church?
It would be nice to see any pictures you have of your progress or the completed model.
Andrew
 
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Martin Wynne

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but it occurs to me, why have a boat kit at a railway exhibition

Hi Andrew,

Some confusion here. The picture was of the mug, which is 27 years old, from a 1994 exhibition.

The boat kit is a lockdown project which I purchased on a whim last year, and posted about here:

https://85a.co.uk/forum/view_topic.php?id=3228&forum_id=5&page=13#p29431

27 years is also the length of time I was given to build it in, see:

https://85a.co.uk/forum/view_topic.php?id=3228&forum_id=5&page=13#p29491


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https://aero-naut.de/product/moewe-2-fischkutter/

The picture shows total progress to date. :)

I'm up to my neck in Templot at present, so I can't see it getting much further any time soon.

cheers,

Martin.
 
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Andrew Duncan

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Reigate
As my family will tell you, reading instructions is not my forte, and if I can get the wrong end of the stick then it seems I will. Looking on the bright side, it provides amusement, sometimes to quite large numbers of people. It must be that I have strengths in other areas...?
Rather liked your imagined conversation between two cows discussion of their lunch that day, nicely understated.

Kind regards
Andrew
PS how are you intending to archive the old forum? I'd hate to lose access to it selfishly, as it's a great record of my track building exploits and loads of friendly discussion and banter?
 
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Martin Wynne

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Please do not send requests for help direct to me via email.

Post your questions on the forum where everyone can see them and add helpful replies.
PS how are you intending to archive the old forum? I'd hate to lose access to it selfishly, as it's a great record of my track building exploits and loads of friendly discussion and banter?

Hi Andrew,

It's not lost, I have copied it all off the old server. Eventually it will all be available again at:

https://85a.uk/templot/archive/

https://85a.uk/templot/club/index.php?threads/old-forum-archive.105/

All 3,800 topics and over 7,000 images. But there is not a lot there yet, as you can see.

But at present it is all still available on the old forum at: https://85a.co.uk/forum/

cheers,

Martin.
 
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