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Installation issues

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The problem seems to be with Crossover. It simply won't allow me to install into an existing bottle, yet it used to do this quite happily.
This means that I can install Templot, but I then have to manually move over my box files, output files and background files (and who knows what else, as I don't use all of the functionality of the programme, and I lose my settings, too.

Can you confirm which files I need to copy/move over to the new installation, so that I don't lose my settings? (I had a similar problem at the start of the year, and lost 18 months of work!)
 
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Can you confirm which files I need to copy/move over to the new installation, so that I don't lose my settings? (I had a similar problem at the start of the year, and lost 18 months of work!)
@Simon Dunkley

Hi Simon,

Simply copy the entire contents of the old TEMPLOT_DEV folder to the new one. Templot doesn't put anything outside that folder (unless you change it, in which case only you know where).

But before you do that, rename the templot_2.exe program file to something else -- otherwise you will be overwriting the newly installed program version with the old one. When it's all working you can delete it.

(Also, if you have been using the new version and saved any BOX or BGS3 files with the same name as on the old version, the old one will overwrite it. Templot's default file names are unique, so that's not a problem.)

I have just upgraded my Linux system to the latest "5 year" Ubuntu (22.04 LTS), and upgraded to CrossOver 21. Everything seems to be working fine, but like you there seems to be an issue installing into an existing bottle.

When I have done some tests to pin-point the exact issue, I will contact Codeweavers about it. No doubt other users will have been finding the same.

On Linux there is no real need for CrossOver, Templot runs fine on the native Wine package. But I like to install CrossOver so that I can see what other Templot users are seeing.

Sorry I can't say anything useful about CrossOver on a Mac, as my knowledge of Macs is nil. But I did see this on the CrossOver web site:

crossover_mac_req.png


cheers,

Martin.
 
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Obvious first questions: is your network connection connected?
When was the last time you used it prior to this, and which version on Templot was it?

At the precise moment, I am at least 24 hours away from my Mac, so it’s difficult to see what version of MacOS and indeed crossover I am using, but one solution is to make a copy of all of your latest Templot directory bottle within crossover, and then delete the original via Crossover, using the Templot Uninstall program. Then install anew.

If that works, then you can copy the current 2.35a executable over to you copy, and then copy those files back to your new installation. This should work, but d make sure you copy and not move, etc. I lost 18 months development on my “last great project” by getting cocky and not double-checking things. Only myself to blame.
 
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Dear Simon,

Thank you for your reply and assistance.

Firstly network is connected.

Everything was working normally until I made the graded to 2.35a. Luckily I have not lost anything vital as I am still mulling over my "master" plans.

I have one dfx file, but can not seem to open it via Crossover as you suggested in your email. Although this would open when using 234C.

I have just tried reopening 234C but that has the same result, I get two thirds of the way through the Crossover set up with Templot then it stalls.

As I said I have had my system check by my Mac people in Oxford and they are certain it not Monterey or a Crossover problem. So they think it is some problem with Templot.

All very odd as I never had this set up problem with Templot before.

Kind regards


Rex (Carslake)
 
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Dear Simon,

Thank you for your reply and assistance.

Firstly network is connected.

Everything was working normally until I made the graded to 2.35a. Luckily I have not lost anything vital as I am still mulling over my "master" plans.

I have one dfx file, but can not seem to open it via Crossover as you suggested in your email. Although this would open when using 234C.

I have just tried reopening 234C but that has the same result, I get two thirds of the way through the Crossover set up with Templot then it stalls.

As I said I have had my system check by my Mac people in Oxford and they are certain it not Monterey or a Crossover problem. So they think it is some problem with Templot.

All very odd as I never had this set up problem with Templot before.

Kind regards


Rex (Carslake)
Dear Simon and Martin,

I have at last got back up with Templot 235, via Paralles , it seem to work ok. , I had not had the "present of mind" to leave Crossover etc clearly not thinking out side the box.

So I am now in a Windows 11 formate win is a little different. But there we are it works.

Not sure why Crossover failed?

Kind regards

Rex (Carslake) 28/09/22
 
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Templot isn’t on the list of Crossover-supported programs, of course. Mine was fine, and then I updated Crossover (or rather, I allowed an automatic update to happen) and found that some of my settings had been “lost”, as Crossover was looking in the wrong bottle. I found I had three different bottles for Templot: have managed to delete one safely, now just need to work out which of the other two to dispense with. (I only have two because I created a second installation when having problems with the update. Forgot to delete the “wrong” one after I had sorted it out, and am no longer sure which is which, as both indicate having been opened whenever I have last run Templot.)
 
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Dear Simon,

I had not seen that Crossover was not on the prescribed list, yet very odd as Crossover was working all summer, then fell over its self a couple of weeks ago. Ditto Winebottler, also throw and wobbly, I could not get it to run with Templot.

It will have cost me a bit of cash over all, but then that is life. I can not expect Martin to be all knowing, there is a limit after all.

I have to stay with Mac as I have a Cad programe for Architural Drawing which is wonderful.

The newer editions are now costing £3000 plus which is a bit beyond my means as I am no longer working. The new editions of Archicad (26) will do almost anything from heat calculations onward. Ie you can change the wall depths ( and materials) it will renew the all the calculations for you.This is besides doing all the details and 3d stuff to boot. A remarkable precise tool. With add on for designing door and windows etc.

Kind regards

Rex (Carslake)
 
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Templot simply isn’t a program with inbuilt support for crossover: given the special nature of the program, that’s not surprising, but it’s a shame as there is a wonderful pun involved in using Templot via Crossover!

I get to use Windows at work. Yes, it has improved a lot, but how they managed to take so long to get back to where they were, and when I get home and use my Mac - which is sometimes frustrating - I am reminded why I have one. Despite using Unix in the past, installing Linux on an old machine turned into a joyless experience: it is a hobbyist’s operating system, and being open source, lots of variants.
 
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"Templot simply isn’t a program with inbuilt support for crossover: given the special nature of the program, that’s not surprising, but it’s a shame as there is a wonderful pun involved in using Templot via Crossover!"

Just beware double slips!

I suppose this is not an installation problem as such, but just now I tried to access the Templot Club using Firefox, which has just updated itself to version 106. The Templot Club page loaded OK but then I got a large pop-up warning me that Templot was not verified by Microsoft and inviting me to get an app from the Microsoft store (as if there was one there!). The popup would not go away and made the Templot Club web page unusable. So I closed Firefox and tried Opera, with no trouble. If Firefox does this again, I will make Opera my default browser and probably delete Firefox.!
 
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