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Looking at double track layouts in 00-SF

So I have been looking at seeing if I can fit a double track layout into my space in 00-SF, I really enjoy the layout of Bucks Hill
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So I was trying to invert the plan a little bit but due to not wanting platforms on extreme curves and needing the R/H side for he fiddle yard (with 2ft curves in and out) I don't think it's possible in the space I have.

Maybe I should just stick to my Single Track line plan Dexfield instead (it is almost built track wise) but I feel it's missing something interesting operational and viewing wise..
 

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@MikeH_83

Hi Mike,

Welcome to Templot Club. :)

With a space of over 4 metres it should be possible to fit in a double-track 00 layout if that is what you want. You need to put more of a curve in the platforms so that the end curves can be a larger radius. Sharp 2ft radius curves don't really go with 00-SF layouts, and would need some gauge-widening or 16.5mm flexitrack. For 00-SF it's best to keep above 750mm/30" radius if you can.

Note that you don't have a running clearance here:

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Such sharp curves need extra track-spacing for a running clearance between the vehicles.

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MikeH_83

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Thanks @Martin Wynne

I was just looking at ideas really and was struggling to make it look half decent. I can certainly look at putting the platform areas on more of a curve.

I also think I should just ignore my urges to change and continue with the single track with passing station idea... Made good progress so far in 00-SF

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Been playing about with the idea some more, It's still horribly wrong in many places. Its kinda working and kinda looking horrible at the same time
 

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Hi all,

Been working on this idea some more since I am not feeling the single branch line so much anymore and I have been really getting the urge to make my layout have alot more operational and viewing potential. So therefor I have refind the plans somewhat. I have tried to get the track clearences smaller than the massive gap that peco wants you to have but not quite prototypical because I have some sharper curves. Anyway if anyone wouldn't mind having a quick look to make sure I have not messed something up big time that would be much appreciated. Ignore the bottom part (still WIP) and the super tight trackwork going into the fiddleyard as I will open that out to 00 standards (it's just so I can squeeze in as much scenic and fy space as possible)

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Thanks
 

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Thanks @Martin Wynne

I was just looking at ideas really and was struggling to make it look half decent. I can certainly look at putting the platform areas on more of a curve.

I also think I should just ignore my urges to change and continue with the single track with passing station idea... Made good progress so far in 00-SF

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Hi Mike,
I'm currently building a 00-BF scissor and liked the look of your trackwork etc. May I enquire as to what rail, sleepers and chairs you are using?

Terry
 
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Hi all,

Been working on this idea some more since I am not feeling the single branch line so much anymore and I have been really getting the urge to make my layout have alot more operational and viewing potential. So therefor I have refind the plans somewhat. I have tried to get the track clearences smaller than the massive gap that peco wants you to have but not quite prototypical because I have some sharper curves. Anyway if anyone wouldn't mind having a quick look to make sure I have not messed something up big time that would be much appreciated. Ignore the bottom part (still WIP) and the super tight trackwork going into the fiddleyard as I will open that out to 00 standards (it's just so I can squeeze in as much scenic and fy space as possible)

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Thanks

Yes that would be a single slip.
 
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MikeH_83

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Yes that would be a single slip.
Thanks that's good to know. I assume anti clockwise goods would shunt over to the clockwise main before moving across into the goods line/platform 3
Hi Mike,
I'm currently building a 00-BF scissor and liked the look of your trackwork etc. May I enquire as to what rail, sleepers and chairs you are using?

Terry

Hi Terry,
Thanks very much. I used C&L code 75 HiNi Bullhead track, Exactoscale chairs and for the sleepers I cut up some 1.5mm ply into sleepers (yes it took forever lol) and stained them with some Jacobean Oak woodstain I think it was. I think next time I will just buy laser cut sleepers and just paint them after using an airbrush to save some time!
 
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Tony W

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Thanks that's good to know. I assume anti clockwise goods would shunt over to the clockwise main before moving across into the goods line/platform 3
An anti clockwise train would carry on past the second trailing crossover and reverse into the yard.
Regards
Tony.
 
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Phil O

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The anticlockwise train would travel to the far end of the loop and reverse back into the loop from the main.
 
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MikeH_83

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Oh ok thanks, I'm not sure what the purpose would be of the single slip is all, short of having a train change direction after stopping at the station? Thanks for all your help btw, Trying to make it as prototypical yet fun as possible
 
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Tony W

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Hi Mike.
Take the case of a clockwise stopping freight train. It would stop in the station clear of the crossover and then reverse over the crossover into the loop. If the train were too long to run round within the yard, the loco would have to return to the main line, then cross back to the other running line via the slip road and continue past the loop to reverse into the far end of the loop via the second trailing crossover. Double tracks are usually referred to as either the Up or Down road, which makes things clearer, although single tracks can have an Up and Down direction.
Here is a link to a video of Heckmondwike, a layout I was involved with. Scroll down the page to see it. The stopping freight appearing at about 5 minutes in demonstrates the principle.
http://scalefournorth.org/heckmondwike
Regards
Tony.
 
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MikeH_83

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Hi Mike.
Take the case of a clockwise stopping freight train. It would stop in the station clear of the crossover and then reverse over the crossover into the loop. If the train were too long to run round within the yard, the loco would have to return to the main line, then cross back to the other running line via the slip road and continue past the loop to reverse into the far end of the loop via the second trailing crossover. Double tracks are usually referred to as either the Up or Down road, which makes things clearer, although single tracks can have an Up and Down direction.
Here is a link to a video of Heckmondwike, a layout I was involved with. Scroll down the page to see it. The stopping freight appearing at about 5 minutes in demonstrates the principle.
http://scalefournorth.org/heckmondwike
Regards
Tony.
Ohhh, I see it now! Thanks so much! Been trying to wrap my head around that one for awhile and now it becomes clear. Thats a good video that is, I tried to find some of exhibitions recently on youtube with similair layouts which also had the slips but any kind of proper goods working doesn't seem to get filmed so often lol. Thanks again.
 
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Tony W

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Hi Mike.
Your most welcome. Writing that description made me think there had to be a better way to illustrate it. A picture says more than a thousand words, but a video is better still. One of the reasons the film was made was to show how railways operated in the days of steam. It nice to know it still serves that role.
Regards
Tony.
 
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MikeH_83

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Hi all,

I have been tweaking the design abit and I would say that it is pretty much there.. I have kept it to 24" curves in 00 for the fiddleyard entrance/exits just to conserve abit of space. (Still needs a little tweaking) Anyway I hope I havn't missed anything? I was thinking about having the branch rise upwards on a shallow incline to give it abit of a profile compared to the mainline running at the back. I still need to shove the timbers but just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing a glaring issue before I started that painful job lol. Theres alot of complex pointwork on a curve too so fingers crossed that won't cause any issues.

Thanks
 

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Tony W

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Hi Mike.
Its coming on.
I have found a few minor issues. A couple of Turnouts did not align with the plain track underneath. The correct way to make sure that turnouts are perfect aligned is to insert a turnout into the length of plain track. I have filled in the gaps in the rails where the crossovers didn't meet and removed the plain track duplicating the pointwork on top. I have also edited the box file title to match your layout name. I have also deleted the unused templates in your storage box and tidied up a few other things. Your pointwork on the curve looks OK to me, but the 24" end curves concern me a little.
Amended Box file attached. Over to you for the timber shoving.
Regards
Tony.
 

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MikeH_83

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Hi Mike.
Its coming on.
I have found a few minor issues. A couple of Turnouts did not align with the plain track underneath. The correct way to make sure that turnouts are perfect aligned is to insert a turnout into the length of plain track. I have filled in the gaps in the rails where the crossovers didn't meet and removed the plain track duplicating the pointwork on top. I have also edited the box file title to match your layout name. I have also deleted the unused templates in your storage box and tidied up a few other things. Your pointwork on the curve looks OK to me, but the 24" end curves concern me a little.
Amended Box file attached. Over to you for the timber shoving.
Regards
Tony.

Thanks very much Tony, Glad you noticed them cause I had totally missed them not being aligned. I don't know why but when I store & background track that I have been working on for some reason it seems to make a duplicate sometimes, I'm probably doing something wrong somewhere as I have just learnt from clicking things and seeing the end result lol.

Yeah the 24" curves were designed to be opened up to 00 standards just to help give me maximum fiddleyard space but I have a tiny bit of wiggleroom to open them out to about 30" or so if I can work some magic with the fiddleyard trackplan (that's the truly difficult part)

Thanks
Mike.
 
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