Bullhead track books

[Phil G]

I'm enjoying the PWI book you recommended by the way Martin.

Hi James/Martin
Does the above mentioned PWI book happen to have an ISBN number? I am keen to do a bit more reading on the P-way.

Its funny in a past life, P-way equalled nothing more than back pain, (what you get when you get roped into a P-way gang on a heritage railway). I.e. there never quite seems enough people to do all the manual lifting safely.
These days I am far more interesting in the subject.
cheers
Phil

 

[James Walters]

Hi Phil,

Here's the one to look out for...

 

[Phil G]

Hi James thanks
is this the same book

British Railway Track. Design, Construction and Maintenance Compiled by a Committee of the Permanent Way Institution​

as That's all That seems to come up currently
cheers
Phil

 

[Martin Wynne]

@Phil G

Hi Phil,

The modern, reformatted equivalent is:

https://www.thepwi.org/product/design-of-railway-track-in-bull-head-rail/

The diagrams are poorly printed and the information abbreviated from the original. But with some modern updating. The paperback binding makes it difficult to open flat as a reference book.

It is ok if you can't get the original 1956 BRT2 or 1964 BRT3 books from used book sellers:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/256203881801

https://www.abebooks.com/BRITISH-RAILWAY-TRACK-DESIGN-CONSTRUCTION-MAINTENANCE/31611397928/bd

Prices of these used books seem to have dropped a bit recently. A few years ago they were going for double those prices. We are all dying out, no-one is interested in this stuff nowadays if it doesn't appear on a screen.

Maybe the pendulum will swing back and these will become goldmine investments.

p.s. the 1971 BRT4 edition is a thick book with a lot of reading (600 pages). But it's mostly flat-bottom with little bullhead info.

cheers,

Martin.

 

[Phil G]

Hi Martin,
Thanks I will set my watches up on both Ebay and ABE books
neither site have anything for sale right now
cheers
Phil

 

[Martin Wynne]

@Phil G

Hi Phil,

There's one in Atlanta:

https://www.amazon.com/British-Railway-Track-Construction-Maintainance/dp/B001AQ0W9C

Martin.

 

[Phil G]

@Phil G

Hi Phil,

There's one in Atlanta:

https://www.amazon.com/British-Railway-Track-Construction-Maintainance/dp/B001AQ0W9C

Martin.

Hi Martin,
Thanks, I will have a think about that one. Its seems quite a bit more than the UK price, granted the UK only have a 1971 copy on ebay right now for 22 quid
cheers
Phil

 

[Martin Wynne]

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Even if you don't model the GWR, this one is essential reading for Templot users:

from: https://www.gwsg.org.uk/GWSG_Publications.html

cheers,

Martin.

 

[Phil G]

Hi Martin,
O purchased this one

British Railway Track Design Construction Maintenance (1971) D H... I hope 1971 is not greatly different to 1964 will get the GWR publication as soon as I can work out away of paying for it cheers Phil,

 

[Martin Wynne]

@Phil G

Hi Phil,

I'm afraid BRT4 does concentrate on flat-bottom. There isn't much bullhead detail in it. I did post:

p.s. the 1971 BRT4 edition is a thick book with a lot of reading (600 pages). But it's mostly flat-bottom with little bullhead info.

But it's packed with track design and especially maintenance info. Covering the original inclined FB designs (1950s-1960s) which are in Templot, and the later vertical designs (then newly introduced in 1971 and since abandoned) which are not in Templot. There is a loose booklet inside the back cover with fold-out cant/speed diagrams.

cheers,

Martin.

 

[Phil G]

@Phil G

Hi Phil,

I'm afraid BRT4 does concentrate on flat-bottom. There isn't much bullhead detail in it. I did post:



But it's packed with track design and especially maintenance info. Covering the original inclined FB designs (1950s-1960s) which are in Templot, and the later vertical designs (then newly introduced in 1971 and since abandoned) which are not in Templot.

cheers,

Martin.

Thanks Martin,
Somehow I missed your warning. oh well it's a bit late now. I will have to keep my eye our for a 1953 or 64 version. The one in Atlanta was way to expensive when you add the post to NZ.
cheers
Phil

 

[Phil G]

British Railway Track. Design, Construction and Maintenance Compiled by a Committee of the Permanent Way Institution

Hi Martin,
was the original print of this book does in 1947? and if so is the original any good? or do I need rev2 or rev 3
cheers
Phil,

 

[Martin Wynne]

Hi Martin,
was the original print of this book does in 1947? and if so is the original any good? or do I need rev2 or rev 3
cheers
Phil,

@Phil G

First edition 1943, reprinted 1947, 1950

Second edition 1956

Third edition 1964

I have seen the first edition only in reference libraries -- sorry I can't remember too much about the extent of the contents.

cheers,

Martin.

 

[Phil G]

Hi Martin,
Yes that makes sense the book I am looking at does say reprint of 1943, now I look more closely.
Maybe this time I will have more luck

 

[Rob Manchester]

Phil,

I have the 1956 edition and the 1979 fifth edition. I had a 1st edition or a reprint of it as well but the 1956 book still contains all the bullhead info with a fair bit of flat bottom - I sold the 1st edition one some while ago as they were going for a lot of money

Rob

 

[Phil G]

Hi rob thanks,
if I am understanding you correctly 1st edition will cover bullhead just fine, its just it could be expensive!
cheers
Phil

 

[Rob Manchester]

Yes, Phil. The first edition will give you all the info you need or think you do. Martin has done all the complicated mathematical calculations for you by writing Templot......

Rob

 

[Dave Searle]

Here are the front and content pages from BRT1 (1947 reprint)

Cheers

Dave,