Grouping and positioning a tandem turnout

[Neil Watson]

Hi all.

I've been trying to get my head around Templot for about 2 months now. Have made some inroads into how it works but oh so much more to try and get my head around. I expect it has been addressed somewhere here but I cannot find it.

I have got Templot to build me a 3 way point as an 'entity' which looks like it will work after some tweaking as per one of the 2FS videos. Is it possible to get it to snap/join an existing piece of track?
Neil

 

[Rick Williamson]

Hi all.

I've been trying to get my head around Templot for about 2 months now. Have made some inroads into how it works but oh so much more to try and get my head around. I expect it has been addressed somewhere here but I cannot find it.

I have got Templot to build me a 3 way point as an 'entity' which looks like it will work after some tweaking as per one of the 2FS videos. Is it possible to get it to snap/join an existing piece of track?
Neil

Neil
If it was me I would create a Group for the tandem turnout.
Click on. Group,
Click on. create smaller group,
Go to the bottom of the menu and click on. Click/drag selection fence. Using your mouse you draw a box around your turnout, any track inside the box becomes part of the group. This my preferred method. The Group should be shown in a different colour. Going back to The Main group menu you will see commands for shifting the group you have created. This will allow you to position the turnout where you want it. This done click on. Ungroup.
Cheers
Rick

 

[Neil Watson]

Neil
If it was me I would create a Group for the tandem turnout.
Click on. Group,
Click on. create smaller group,
Go to the bottom of the menu and click on. Click/drag selection fence. Using your mouse you draw a box around your turnout, any track inside the box becomes part of the group. This my preferred method. The Group should be shown in a different colour. Going back to The Main group menu you will see commands for shifting the group you have created. This will allow you to position the turnout where you want it. This done click on. Ungroup.
Cheers
Rick

Thanks Rick

I have found this facility. I was wondering if it's possible to create something similar to a control template that can snap/align with a background template similar to how an ordinary turnout or piece of straight track would do

Neil

 

[Martin Wynne]

@Rick Williamson @Nei Watson

Hi Rick, Neil,

There's no need to draw a group fence. When a tandem is created all the partial templates are given a unique prefix tag. You can then group them easily from the tag list, like this:

I suspect Neil wants to attach the tandem to an existing track plan, so I will write some more about that shortly.

cheers,

Martin.

 

[Martin Wynne]

Hi all.

I've been trying to get my head around Templot for about 2 months now. Have made some inroads into how it works but oh so much more to try and get my head around. I expect it has been addressed somewhere here but I cannot find it.

I have got Templot to build me a 3 way point as an 'entity' which looks like it will work after some tweaking as per one of the 2FS videos. Is it possible to get it to snap/join an existing piece of track?
Neil

@Nei Watson

Hi Neil,

I don't know what is in the 2FS videos from the 2mm Association. I wasn't invited to comment on them or take part in a Zoom recording.

(Unlike the Templot videos which Ian Allen does for the Gauge 0 Guild, where I heckle furiously from the sidelines. )

It seems that you may have been misled into creating a tandem turnout in fresh air, instead of as part of your developing track plan.

The intent of Templot is that you create smooth flowing curves through a series of plain track templates, and then insert pointwork into them, in the prototype manner. In the case of slips and tandem turnouts you start by inserting a turnout to set the desired crossing angles and switch sizes, and then convert it to a slip or tandem. This video shows how to insert a double-slip that way, it is essentially the same method for a tandem turnout:

https://flashbackconnect.com/Movie.aspx?id=Ndn_TgoI5WNCP_agsZTJYw2

If you create individual items of pointwork and then join them together, you are liable to end up with a disjointed "train-set" effect where curves and radii do not align smoothly.

However, you can do it that way if you prefer, but it is more trouble and faff than the above method.

This video shows how to do it for a double-slip, a tandem turnout is essentially the same:

https://flashbackconnect.com/Movie.aspx?id=MTd0T1Pp4DIGd5QfbfBqQw2

These videos are 4 years old and there are some minor changes to the menus since then. So I will make some more videos soon showing the same thing for tandem turnouts.

There is a lot more information about creating tandem turnouts here:

https://85a.uk/templot/companion/3_way_tandem_turnouts.php

If you attach your BOX file here I can explain in more detail for what you are wanting to do.

cheers,

Martin.

 

[Neil Watson]

@Nei Watson

Hi Neil,

I don't know what is in the 2FS videos from the 2mm Association. I wasn't invited to comment on them or take part in a Zoom recording.

(Unlike the Templot videos which Ian Allen does for the Gauge 0 Guild, where I heckle furiously from the sidelines. )

It seems that you may have been misled into creating a tandem turnout in fresh air, instead of as part of your developing track plan.

The intent of Templot is that you create smooth flowing curves through a series of plain track templates, and then insert pointwork into them, in the prototype manner. In the case of slips and tandem turnouts you start by inserting a turnout to set the desired crossing angles and switch sizes, and then convert it to a slip or tandem. This video shows how to insert a double-slip that way, it is essentially the same method for a tandem turnout:

https://flashbackconnect.com/Movie.aspx?id=Ndn_TgoI5WNCP_agsZTJYw2

If you create individual items of pointwork and then join them together, you are liable to end up with a disjointed "train-set" effect where curves and radii do not align smoothly.

However, you can do it that way if you prefer, but it is more trouble and faff than the above method.

This video shows how to do it for a double-slip, a tandem turnout is essentially the same:

https://flashbackconnect.com/Movie.aspx?id=MTd0T1Pp4DIGd5QfbfBqQw2

These videos are 4 years old and there are some minor changes to the menus since then. So I will make some more videos soon showing the same thing for tandem turnouts.

There is a lot more information about creating tandem turnouts here:

https://85a.uk/templot/companion/3_way_tandem_turnouts.php

If you attach your BOX file here I can explain in more detail for what you are wanting to do.

cheers,

Martin.

Thanks Martin.

Yes, I'm trying like hell to get away from the Anyrail etc mentality. I'm still trying to get to grips with what Templot is intended for. I'm also trying to get my head around simple and transitional links. They incredibly powerful.

I've only just started building trackwork, N scale. The old adage, the more you know, the more you find out what you don't know, is so true for this art.
The problem is I'm trying to run.

Neil


Neil

 

[Neil Watson]

@Nei Watson

Hi Neil,

I don't know what is in the 2FS videos from the 2mm Association. I wasn't invited to comment on them or take part in a Zoom recording.

(Unlike the Templot videos which Ian Allen does for the Gauge 0 Guild, where I heckle furiously from the sidelines. )

It seems that you may have been misled into creating a tandem turnout in fresh air, instead of as part of your developing track plan.

The intent of Templot is that you create smooth flowing curves through a series of plain track templates, and then insert pointwork into them, in the prototype manner. In the case of slips and tandem turnouts you start by inserting a turnout to set the desired crossing angles and switch sizes, and then convert it to a slip or tandem. This video shows how to insert a double-slip that way, it is essentially the same method for a tandem turnout:

https://flashbackconnect.com/Movie.aspx?id=Ndn_TgoI5WNCP_agsZTJYw2

If you create individual items of pointwork and then join them together, you are liable to end up with a disjointed "train-set" effect where curves and radii do not align smoothly.

However, you can do it that way if you prefer, but it is more trouble and faff than the above method.

This video shows how to do it for a double-slip, a tandem turnout is essentially the same:

https://flashbackconnect.com/Movie.aspx?id=MTd0T1Pp4DIGd5QfbfBqQw2

These videos are 4 years old and there are some minor changes to the menus since then. So I will make some more videos soon showing the same thing for tandem turnouts.

There is a lot more information about creating tandem turnouts here:

https://85a.uk/templot/companion/3_way_tandem_turnouts.php

If you attach your BOX file here I can explain in more detail for what you are wanting to do.

cheers,

Martin.

Martin,

I've seen a couple of the flashbackconnect videos recently. I've watched the ones you have linked. They're incredibly enlightening. Is there a list I can reference for them?

Neil

 

[Martin Wynne]

Martin,

I've seen a couple of the flashbackconnect videos recently. I've watched the ones you have linked. They're incredibly enlightening. Is there a list I can reference for them?

Neil

@Nei Watson

Hi Neil,

Sure: https://85a.uk/templot/companion/online_video_list.php

It's a bit worrying that you ask. Does it need to be more prominent? -- I can't put a splash link to everything on the front page!

There is also a direct link from within Templot itself:

cheers,

Martin.

 

[Neil Watson]

@Nei Watson

Hi Neil,

Sure: https://85a.uk/templot/companion/online_video_list.php

It's a bit worrying that you ask. Does it need to be more prominent? -- I can't put a splash link to everything on the front page!

There is also a direct link from within Templot itself:

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cheers,

Martin.Martin.

Doh. I should have seen that. There is sooooo much to take in. I have got a lot to keep me occupied for a while now.

Neil